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#5440 of 5901 Honda quality?????
Oct 26, 2010 (3:24 pm)
I have a 2003 Accord that just had the compliance bushings fall apart. This was very disappointing. I bought this Accord for its supposed dependability - my first Honda. I should not have a $400 repair plus alignment at less than seven years. If Honda can't use quality materials in their parts, they will lose their dependability reputation. Oh yeah, the serpentine belt was also falling apart. I might as well have bought a Hyundai or Ford for less money.
#5441 of 5901 Re: Honda quality????? [shuffles]
Oct 27, 2010 (4:16 am)
How many miles are on this car?
#5442 of 5901 Re: Honda quality????? [thegraduate]
Oct 28, 2010 (11:49 am)
It has less than 64K. The dealer said the bushings had dry rotted. That tells me they self destructed because they were not made of quality material.
#5443 of 5901 Re: Honda quality????? [shuffles]
Oct 28, 2010 (12:11 pm)
So, one repair in 7 years constitutes a poor-quality car? I politely disagree. Did you get a second opinion on the car before you let your dealer replace them at that cost?
I'm not trying to argue here; I actually recently sold my Accord because of niggling quality issues. Luckily, all were covered under warranty (a 2006 2.4L EX Sedan).
#5444 of 5901 Re: Honda quality????? [shuffles]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Oct 28, 2010 (12:26 pm)
I would consider these "expendable" parts that deteriorate over time and age on most cars. Besides, the dealer has no expertise to judge the chemical composition of rubber parts or their quality versus other cars. It wasn't a very helpful remark and only serves to undermine your confidence in what seems to have been a very good car for you overall.
#5445 of 5901 Re: Honda quality????? [thegraduate]
Oct 28, 2010 (1:16 pm)
Uh, that was two repairs, the bushings and the serpentine belt. Those were not the first repairs. My Infinity G20 had no repairs for 11 years and 110,000 miles.
#5446 of 5901 Re: Honda quality????? [Mr_Shiftright]
Oct 28, 2010 (1:21 pm)
" Besides, the dealer has no expertise to judge the chemical composition of rubber parts or their quality versus other cars." Huh? The dealer cited dry rot. I judged the parts to be inferior to what should have been. Sure parts deteriorate over time. By my judgement, the time frame was too short. I expected better from Honda. As I said, my Infinity G20 went 11 years and 110K miles with no repairs. Is that too high a bar for Honda?
#5447 of 5901 Re: Honda quality????? [shuffles]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Oct 28, 2010 (1:46 pm)
Yeah, I'd have to say that your expectations for bushings and serpentine belts are too high. These are just normally deteriorating parts, like paint on a house or the soles on your shoes. If anything, I'd have to say your serpentine belt was overdue, or at least, due, for replacement.
What I can say as criticism of your dealer or whoever services your car, is that both these items should have been noticed long before they got to the disintegration stage.
As for your G20, I'd bet that a good mechanic could have examined it closely and found items that were overdue for replacement, but just didn't break altogether during your tenure.
Every car is a little different in how it is used, what it is exposed to,things like that. Age, environment, road conditions, climate---all of this affects why one car gets 64K on bushings and another 94K.
That is, after all, almost 3 times around the earth!
#5448 of 5901 Re: Honda quality????? [Mr_Shiftright]
Oct 28, 2010 (2:30 pm)
I have to say your expectations for bushings and serpentine belts are too low. These parts should last at least ten years and 100,000 miles. This is my first and last Honda. Toyotas and Hondas from 15 to 20 years ago did not have these problems. Fords and Chevys did. You have your opinion. I have mine. I still maintain my high expectations. You can have your low expectations.
#5449 of 5901 Re: Honda quality????? [shuffles]
Oct 28, 2010 (3:06 pm)
I've always heard belts should be replaced after 7 years or 100k miles (timing belts, serpentine, etc) because they'll crack/rot. That's why I'm not surprised by your replacement. The serpentine belt I don't consider a repair, I consider it maintenance. Your G20 went past due and nobody caught it; congrats.