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#2108 of 2260 Re: Reliability of Honda Accord after 120K miles usage [isellhondas]
Oct 15, 2010 (8:27 am)
We would get Odysseys in our shop that had Class 3 hitches on them, along with roof racks. Interiors looked like they had been lived in and after 100,000 miles, the transmission fluid looked like it had never been changed.
Of course, severe usage is going to contribute to early failure of a transmission.
All usage situations that I can relate to cars (A '93 Civic, a Subaru Legacy with a loaded roof-rack and a used U-Haul frequently behind it, and a friend's Pontiac Grand Prix all come to mind).
I started selling Hondas in 1995 and did this until I retired in May. I can honestly say I never noticed any decline in quality during that time. Our 2007 Accord has been flawless without one warranty repair. -Congrats; my dad's '07 Civic with the rear-suspension/tire-eating problem and my '06 Accord are 2-for-2 in being noticeably lower in quality than their counterparts of 10 years ago. I'm done with Honda for awhile.
Having said this, Honda is faced with a lot of tough competition. More than they ever had in the past. The Korean cars that we scoffed at have improved markedly and others are breathing down Honda's back. Good. Maybe this will help Honda turn things around from their odd exteriors and their quickly-becoming-dated feature and powertrain options. 5-speed Auto + 162 lb-ft of torque at 4,400 RPM + 3,400 lbs = Underwhelming around town performance by today's standards. And come on, $24,905 and no USB/iPod integrated hookup? They're kissing their younger buyers goodbye with that.
People have short memories and being loyal to one brand is a thing of the past. True. Too many good options out there now to limit one's self to a specific make.
Honda can't let quality slip. They have to maintain their edge. They've already slipped back into "decent" from "exceptional." I hope they quit slipping further and start climbing, learning a thing or two from *gasp* Ford and Hyundai.
I apologise for veering somewhat off-topic here. Would you like to continue the conversation elsewhere? I'll gladly follow.
#2109 of 2260 Re: Reliability of Honda Accord after 120K miles usage [thegraduate]
Oct 15, 2010 (9:32 am)
I really like Honda Accord & Civics but I too think quality has suffered when compared with earlier years. My brother has an '01 Accura and has needed to replace
2 automatic transmissions thru the years....yet he still loves it.
Styling on the '98-02 Accords seem better than current models but I like the new Civics.
Maybe the key is to find a way to make an automatic from a "good" years model work in
a model thats prone to failure. It can be done but I don't know about cost$?
I am glad I like sticks as I've had no problems.
#2110 of 2260 Re: Reliability of Honda Accord after 120K miles usage [thegraduate]
Oct 15, 2010 (9:50 am)
Sure, you pick the place.
Rear suspension problems on Civics is something else I've never heard of.
#2111 of 2260 Re: Reliability of Honda Accord after 120K miles usage [isellhondas]
Oct 15, 2010 (9:56 am)
How about here, the Quality Control forum?
#2112 of 2260 Re: Reliability of Honda Accord after 120K miles usage [thegraduate]
Oct 15, 2010 (9:56 am)
Good idea. See you there!
#2113 of 2260 Re: Reliability of Honda Accord after 120K miles usage [isellhondas]
Oct 15, 2010 (5:25 pm)
First of all, please realize that I'm retired now and I no longer have a "dog in the fight".
I never heard of a class action suit on Accords and I never, once heard of an early transmission failure on a 4 cyl Accord. Maybe after 200,000 miles.
Most of the problems were limited to Odysseys and a few V-6 Accords.
Four transmissions in a 4 cyl? Even I couldn't go through that many when I was a reckless teenager!
I am in my 50s and have owned quite a few cars - to include some real crap when I was a young soldier and when I was a college student. I have NEVER abused anything I owned and I have never been ticketed for anything. To this day, the accord is the only car I have ever had a transmission problem with - FOUR of them in less than 100k miles. I know others with 4 cylinder accords with the same issue. I realize you're retired and not interested in a dogfight. Neither am I. But I can't imagine you working for honda and not knowing about the class action lawsuits on accord transmissions in the late 90s and early 00s (for 4 and 6 cyl accords) or the current class action lawsuits (I believe they have started) on the latest generation accord brakes. Honda has historically made very good cars, but their transmissions have been their weakness and I believe it is the case to this very day.
We bought a new car this year and the first car we considered was the accord - primarily for reliability and resale value. We did not want another 4 cylinder so my wife and I drove the 6 cyl and we did not like the constant on and off of the VCM. It felt like the a/c constantly switching off and on even though the a/c was turned off. Between two dealerships, we drove three of them and they were all the same. Both salesman said they had no idea what we were talking about and had never heard of that issue. At the second dealership, I spoke with the service manager and he was very aware of what I was talking about. He said it bothered some people and others it did not. My son has recently purchased a 6 cyl accord and he feels the VCM switching off and on, but it doesn't bother him as his chevy pickup does the same thing and he is used to it.
I think honda has historically made excellent cars, but I think other manufacturers have caught and/or surpassed honda. Although I did not buy a sonata, I believe the hyundai sonata is a better car than the accord. I never thought I would say that and I never thought I would buy a hyundai before a honda, but if it was narrowed to those two cars I would have bought the sonata! Different strokes for different folks.. that's why they make chocolate and vanilla.
#2114 of 2260 Re: Reliability of Honda Accord after 120K miles usage [marvin6]
Oct 16, 2010 (8:52 am)
I realize that because of my username and my history with Honda that people in these forums tend to not believe me. This doesn't bother me and, I really don't care.
Having said this...I'm trying to remember even one instance where I heard of a premature transmission failure on a 4 cylinder Accord and I can't. I sold them for 14 years and I was in constant contact with my huge customer base and our Service Department. I don't doubt that you somehow went through FOUR transmissions but I have never EVER heard of such a thing
In another forum, people were complaining about the VCM on V-6 Accords and I had a customer switch from buying a V-6 to a 4 cyl because of this. I was dumbfounded since I had never heard of such a thing. I immediatly went to our Service Managers and asked if this was a problem and they had no idea what I was talking about. When our Factory Rep visited our store the next week he had no idea what I was talking about either.
So, on my day off, I took one out on the road. Try as I did, I couldn't replicate this "problem" even when I tried a second car.
I sold, literally, hundreds of V-6 Accords and never once did I have a customer mention this.
I went back into that forum and expressed my views and about got booted out of there. To this day, only in these forums have I heard of such a thing.
Somehow, I doubt if you believe me but if you knew me on a personal basis I think you would.
Are Hondas perfrect? Of course not. I would much rather take my chances on a new Honda than a Hyundai. Never a fan of the Korean makes but I know they have made huge strides in recent years. Still, they can and will have problems too.
BTW, I don't understand nor did I know about any class action lawsuits. Anyone can start one of these. I watched over and over as Honda extened warranties when there was evidence that something may have been a problem. Odyssey transmissions were a good example of that.
Never a ticket? Wish I could say that!
#2115 of 2260 Re: Reliability of Honda Accord after 120K miles usage [marvin6]
Oct 16, 2010 (5:11 pm)
Honda did not extend the warranties out of kindness. The warranty extensions were a result of the class action lawsuits - NOT out of kindness. BTW - the class action lawsuit on the accord brakes (latest model accord) has been settled - you can find the results of it (or any of the other class action lawsuits against honda) via google.
#2116 of 2260 Re: Reliability of Honda Accord after 120K miles usage [isellhondas]
Oct 16, 2010 (7:38 pm)
BTW, I don't understand nor did I know about any class action lawsuits. Anyone can start one of these. I watched over and over as Honda extended warranties when there was evidence that something may have been a problem. Odyssey transmissions were a good example of that.
Not my dime, but I also have a 4 cyl accord that's had multiple transmissions in it - covered because of a class action suit. Anyone can start a class action lawsuit, but it's pretty rare unless a lot of people are having the same problem and getting stonewalled by a company!!!!! When you watched over and over as Honda extended the warranties.... well, that was a result of the lawsuits!!!! It was part of the settlement!!!! The reason for the lawsuit was people were having transmission problems and honda would do nothing about it (accord and odyssey). Just like the brake problems of the 2008-2010 accords. Honda did its best to avoid responsibility and were taken to court with a class action suit.
#2117 of 2260 Re: Reliability of Honda Accord after 120K miles usage [wayne52]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Oct 17, 2010 (7:29 am)
Class action isn't always as good as it sounds. Lawyers make most of the money, and often the settlements are quite modest. For the Honda brakes, for instance, the re-imbursement settlement is $125 maximum. True, better than nothing, but does it erase all the aggravation and expense? Not nearly. And often there's paperwork to fill out, and even a participatory fee on the part of the car owner.