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Acura TSX, Lexus IS 250, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#122 of 318 So it all comes down to PRICE
Mar 09, 2006 (7:22 am)
Acura must be magic - they intro a car (TSX) in 2003 as a 2004 model and base it on a vehicle that is not even produced until 2005! How did they do that?
This is what the Edmunds 2004 TSX overview says -
"Although based on an existing European Honda, the TSX is an all-new car for the U.S. market" - I would think by existing they mean IT HAS ALREADY BEEN SOLD. The TSX has not had any major changes to the suspension since the 2004 model year - I guess the only way the 2006 TSX could be based on the 2005 European Accord would be if the 2005 European Accord has not been updated since the 2001/2002 model year. In that case I would still say it is an old design - you really need to look at when it FIRST came out - RIGHT?
Again the 2001-2002 European Accord was not a bad car for its day - its just about even with a 2006 Civic in ride quality - the Civic handles better.
If money were no object - I would need to build a 100 car garage - for EACH of my dozen or so homes. $$ is almost always a major factor in the car buying equation - nothing wrong with that BTW. But taking this IMPORTANT factor off the table - helps put focus on other things - like RIDE quality - HANDLING - PERFORMANCE BLA BLA BLA.
Lets be honest about our motives - if the TSX and IS cost the same which would you pick - if you say the TSX then why? What other than CHEAPER PRICE makes it better. If the only reason you can give is its CHEAPER - then thats fine - thats a good reason. But if you take the position CHEAPER is better then you could find many cars that cost less then the TSX (Civic & Accord) and deliver just about the same driving experience. But then some accountant (I was a CPA for may years - so I can slam accountants if I want to) will add up some combo of options to show that you can buy a TSX for "about" the same as the Accord - but you still get some minor gizmos that the Accord does not even offer - we all know that every driving enthusiast must have BLUETOOTH!
#123 of 318 While we are quoting....
Mar 09, 2006 (8:51 am)
Here's what Consumer Report says about the handling on the TSX and the IS 250
TSX: "Handling is more agile than that of the Accord, with quicker turn-in response and better tire grip, but the ride is a bit stiff"
IS 250: "The ride, is jittery and handling secure, but not sporty"
#124 of 318 speedracer3
Mar 09, 2006 (12:36 pm)
I like to read AUTO magazines - but I would not base my decision on which car to buy on what they write. I like to go see for myself - Based on my FIRST HAND experience the ride and handling of the IS (both 250&350) is very nice. The ride of the TSX is about the same as a Civic and handling is poor.
How could a car with a "jittery ride" provide "secure handling"?
BTW - did that issue of CR also include the review of the 2006 toasters? - I have been having some problems with mine and may need to buy a new one!
#125 of 318 Re: speedracer3 [z71bill]
Mar 09, 2006 (1:14 pm)
I didn't buy my TSX based on car based on reviews. I drove the following cars: BMW 325i, Mazda6, VW Passat, Honda Accord, Infiniti G35. I could tell you that the closest thing to the TSX in terms of "fun to drive" for the price was the Passat. Having had enough little problems with my Audi, I didn't want another headache. A lot of these cars were more than I was willing to spend, so they were discounted right of the bat. The IS 250 fell in the "too expensive" category so I didn't even bother. I have no regrets, I enjoy the TSX tremendously. Drive what you like my friend, and enjoy...I do.
#126 of 318 Re: So it all comes down to PRICE [z71bill]
Mar 09, 2006 (1:55 pm)
I'm with speedracer3
I did drive the IS250, and I preferred the feel of the TSX. I didn't like the amount of visibility I had in the IS, I didn't like the more cramped interior, and, I didn't find it any more fun to drive. And another point keeps getting missed - I didn't want a RWD car, and I looked at the AWD IS, and it's not available with a MT.
As for money, if you forced me to spend as much as it would take to get a comparably equipped IS, well then, I'd probably get the TL (with the 6spd MT). And that's a point that's missed here - I chose the TSX over the IS and over the TL. It does everything I want, and you think there is something wrong because it also happens to cost less?
And don't keep getting fooled by a car's platform - you'd be surprised how old some car platforms are out there, and how they show up in multiple models by a manufacturer. Volvo uses the same platform for quite a few of its cars, sporty and not.
#127 of 318 Re: speedracer3 [z71bill]
Mar 09, 2006 (2:21 pm)
You would be surprised how many people avoided buying crappy products or services thanks to the information in CR. It is not CR vs. first hand experience, as you seem to impute - both are parts of an informed decision.
When I am ready for a new car I: 1. read about cars within my interest range (sporty sedans, coupes, manual only)- CR, Edmunds, nctd, Car&Driver, MotorTrend... and within my price range (up to $40K)to narrow my choices to 3-5 cars; 2. I read/listen to the opinions of owners of such cars, and 3. I test drive my 2-3 finalists and make my final decision based on driving impression, desired equipment and feel of the interior, exterior appearance, and availability of preferred body/interior color combo - in this order.
After this procedure, I had no hesitation to choose TSX and I never looked back.
Happy toaster hunting z71bill! Make sure that you make your toasts of whole wheat or rye bread - CR recommends...
Mar 09, 2006 (2:57 pm)
Good points - all valid - if it is the best for you and still costs less how can you go wrong?
#129 of 318 Re: speedracer3 [z71bill]
Mar 11, 2006 (10:45 pm)
I just tried out the TSX this afternoon at the Acura dealer in Naperville, IL. I agree about the handling of TSX...Yet the TSX's acceleration is not as fast and smooth as IS. To be frank, I don't think it's fair to compare TSX and IS. Sure, TSX is cheaper but it doesn't mean that we consider this model should go head to head with IS.
I met a few friends at lunch last Friday and surprisingly most of us all shared the same opinion- Acura's front design is the ugliest among all others luxury brands. If you look at all Acura models from the front view, they do not look like luxury cars. Putting aside luxury, and performance (Lexus & BMW seem to edge out Acura on those 2 factors), Acura might as well provide a better value for the money because its price is more affordable than BMW & Lexus. In term of styling, design...I think Acura seems to fall behind than that of Infiniti, Lexus...etc. I was at the Chicago Auto Show last month and boy..I must say that the new Acura RDX is a true disappointment and no WOW products in the Acura's lineup as well. No wondee Acura showroom attracted just very few spectators at the Chicago Auto Show.
#130 of 318 Re: speedracer3 [lexus_jn]
Mar 12, 2006 (10:53 am)
and this is why taste can't be argued -
I like the look of the IS and the new BMW, but I also really like the look of the TSX and the new TL over the previous TL. One of the things I don't like about the Accord, relative to the Acuras, is the frumpy, big headlights on the Accord. And While I like the look of the IS, I don't like the look of the Lexis ES - it's an ugly frumpy front end. As for the Infiniti, well, I think they are all pretty ugly. Period.
#131 of 318 Re: speedracer3 [notjafo]
Mar 12, 2006 (4:03 pm)
Different taste and opinion make life more interesting, isn't it?
Hopefully the next generation of TL won't disappoint Acura loyalists. I already owned a Bimmer and a Lexus and I look forward to driving an Acura in the future (if Acura comes up with a better design for the TL). I think that owning a different brand once in a while will give you a pretty clear perspective about the strength and weakness of each brand. Oh, while I really like the space TL offers, I have heard others complained that the TL is kinda big for a sport car...What is your opinion?