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#3563 of 11674 RE:3800 [62vetteefp] by sls002 Apr 19, 2006 (1:50 pm)
Replying to: 62vetteefp (Apr 19, 2006 11:26 am) The 3.6 for the 2007 Aura is rated at 250 horsepower, while the 3.6 for the Outlook is rated at 265 horsepower, single exhaust, or 267 horsepower dual exhaust. Two horsepower seems like very little gain for the expense. Replies to this message: 62vetteefp (Apr 19, 2006 3:49 pm)
#3564 of 11674 Re: Cobalt or Tibby? Easy choice there. [m1miata] by rockylee Apr 19, 2006 (1:52 pm)
Replying to: m1miata (Apr 19, 2006 1:44 pm) Ha, Ha, Ha, funny Loren, why do you think Hyundai gives you a 10 year warranty ? They know the car won't last that long and blame you for the wear and tear OTOH- a Toyota couldn't pull a wet noodle out of a chickens behind Toyota might get GM's crown in 2006, but in 2007 GM will KO them for good. I personally probably should wait and buy a Saab 9-5 if I want the Scandinavian flavor. I'm sure the next 9-5 will be as nice as the S80, and will perhaps raise the bar I also from a finacial standpoint can buy a Saab one helluva alot cheaper because of my GM discount and OTOH Saabs are going to eventually be UAW made here in the USA, what a bonus, eh ? Rocky
#3565 of 11674 Volvo is a safe car but by m1miata Apr 19, 2006 (2:48 pm)
Looks like the S80 and Sonata both scored the same star rating for safety, with Hyundai having slightly better numbers. Not bad for an inexpensive car. And I may add at half the price, has more HP to boot! And then there is the Altima, Camry and, and, and.... I think Volvo may be in as much trouble as the rest. Sorry to say. -Loren Replies to this message: rockylee (Apr 19, 2006 3:11 pm) ace35 (Apr 19, 2006 3:45 pm) rockylee (Apr 19, 2006 3:51 pm) and 2 more... m1miata (Apr 19, 2006 7:16 pm) rockylee (Apr 19, 2006 7:25 pm)
#3566 of 11674 Re: Volvo is a safe car but [m1miata] by rockylee Apr 19, 2006 (3:11 pm)
Replying to: m1miata (Apr 19, 2006 2:48 pm) I'll take a S80 and you can sit in a Sonata and we'll play chicken and we'll see who turns first. All I would have to do is wipe the airbag dust off of me and I unfortunately would have to get a can opener to pop the top off of your Sonata's lids. Loren I respect your opinion, but come-on....Would you be willing to bet your life on it ? I would as long as I can have the Volvo S80 V-8 I just don't know how you can honestly with a straight face compare a Volvo with perhaps the greatest safety rating of all the cars ever made, with the safety numbers of a Hyundai ? You also snuck in something that got my attention which is false. The Hyundai DOES NOT have better numbers than the S80 and the gap will be further widened with the introduction of this new model (07'S80) You give Hyundai way to much credit and there cars are tinaments on wheels or should I say VCR's on wheels, when compared to the Japanese or Europeans and not to forget the Scandinavians Rocky Replies to this message: ace35 (Apr 19, 2006 3:45 pm) rockylee (Apr 19, 2006 3:51 pm) carlisimo (Apr 19, 2006 4:16 pm) ace35 (Apr 19, 2006 4:32 pm) m1miata (Apr 19, 2006 7:16 pm) rockylee (Apr 19, 2006 7:25 pm)
#3567 of 11674 y would you hyundai? by 11o1 Apr 19, 2006 (3:38 pm)
yes, responding to m1miata, you should stop basing your statements on opinions.hyundai loves you because they tell you its a better buy, and on the face of it, it looks better. better hp numbers more features, lower price, yet the car isnt as zippy and nothing really works after a few years.if youve driven a hyundai lately in a comparison, i suppose you might notice the difference in distances from the dash to the door panel on opposite sides of the car. you do get what you pay for remember. another factor with the hyundai, is you pay for the car, eventually you may want to be rid of it.with the hyundai after a couple years ,try selling it. you would probably have a net cost very close to buying the volvo when you consider a 3 year depreciation hit. so do you really feel smarter with the hyundai? Replies to this message: rockylee (Apr 19, 2006 3:45 pm)
#3568 of 11674 Re: Volvo is a safe car but [rockylee] by ace35 Apr 19, 2006 (3:45 pm)
Replying to: rockylee (Apr 19, 2006 3:11 pm) You give Hyundai way to much credit and there cars are tinaments on wheels or should I say VCR's on wheels, when compared to the Japanese or Europeans and not to forget the Scandinavians While Volvo may have pionerred some safety innovations, its clear Hyundai has done its homework and Sonata is proof of that. You can call the Sonata all the names you want but for the money the safety record cannot and should not be ignored. While yes "most" would take a volvo over a Sonata, but these two vehicles are in two different classes and price range. and frankly for the money the Sonata is an excellent choice, be it practicality or safety. Replies to this message: rockylee (Apr 19, 2006 3:51 pm) carlisimo (Apr 19, 2006 4:16 pm) ace35 (Apr 19, 2006 4:32 pm)
#3569 of 11674 Re: y would you hyundai? [11o1] by rockylee Apr 19, 2006 (3:45 pm)
Replying to: 11o1 (Apr 19, 2006 3:38 pm) I will give Hyundai credit though. They are light years ahead of where they started. They are still at the bottom of the pecking order and that includes beneath what GM offers. Like 11o1 said you get what you pay for most of the time. Buy ya an american, japanese, european, scandinavian car Loren and be happy. Rocky
#3570 of 11674 RE:3800 [sls002] by 62vetteefp Apr 19, 2006 (3:49 pm)
Replying to: sls002 (Apr 19, 2006 1:50 pm) Dual exhaust is not for HP increase. It is to have two tailpipes coming out the rear and looking cool. Did not knkow about the Aura. wonder what the difference is. I remember the 267 hp has to do with induction or something like that.
#3571 of 11674 Re: Volvo is a safe car but [ace35] by rockylee Apr 19, 2006 (3:51 pm)
Replying to: ace35 (Apr 19, 2006 3:45 pm) Would you be willing to bet your life on it in a game of chicken at approx 60-70 mph ? You in a Sonata and I in a 2007 Volvo S80 ? I've walked away in a 70 mph crash against a cattle truck in my 2002 Cadillac Seville STS. I know what it feels like to be crushed. I would be even more confident in a Volvo S80 with all of it's safety features to save my life. Volvo's safety features that Hyundai doesn't have can't be overlooked. The Crash Tests performed by the government are a wimpy 35 mph offset. Whoopie do I'll pay the extra dough to insure myself and my family are atleast driving a safe car. Rocky Replies to this message: carlisimo (Apr 19, 2006 4:16 pm) ace35 (Apr 19, 2006 4:32 pm)
#3572 of 11674 Re: Volvo is a safe car but [rockylee] by carlisimo Apr 19, 2006 (4:16 pm)
Replying to: rockylee (Apr 19, 2006 3:51 pm) But instead of a Volvo S80 you could buy TWO Sonatas. Hitch them together and drive in the one in the back - tons of crumple zone!