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#3523 of 11674 Union wants to build new Camaro at idled GM plant in Oklahoma by rockylee Apr 18, 2006 (9:09 pm)
http://www.detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060415/AUTO01/604150336/- 1148/AUTO01 Here's a way to save a plant in the heartland. The plant has had hundreds of millions pumped into it and is worth saving. Come-On GM have some morales and have america's one and only true pony car be built by the good folks of OKC Rocky Replies to this message: m1miata (Apr 18, 2006 9:37 pm) rockylee (Apr 18, 2006 9:43 pm) nvbanker (Apr 19, 2006 6:33 pm) rockylee (Apr 19, 2006 6:53 pm) nvbanker (Apr 19, 2006 7:05 pm) dieselone (Apr 19, 2006 7:06 pm) and 1 more...
#3524 of 11674 Re: GM woes [rockylee] by tlong Apr 18, 2006 (9:19 pm)
Replying to: rockylee (Apr 18, 2006 7:32 pm) Senator John Edwards is the only guy who might beable to save a dinosaurs like General Motors with policy changes Why would we want a dinosaur to live? If it can't evolve, it dies away! What I'd rather see is GM more like a caterpillar - it goes into a chrysalis (bankruptcy), but emerges as a new, viable being that makes desirable products. I'd rather see GM "admired but smaller" than "large but a laughingstock, an American embarassment". Replies to this message: rockylee (Apr 18, 2006 9:34 pm) m1miata (Apr 18, 2006 9:56 pm) rockylee (Apr 18, 2006 10:10 pm) and 7 more...
#3525 of 11674 Re: Small V8 [fintail] by plekto Apr 18, 2006 (9:33 pm)
Replying to: fintail (Apr 18, 2006 11:01 am) I have a car with that engine. 140hp from a 2.2l engine designed almost 50 years ago isn't bad. Imagine what modern tech/computer based engine management could do. About 45 years ago they got ca. 200hp from a 3.0l inline 6, I have to think modern tech could really boost that. Mine's the 2.3L version - same HP(no fuel injection, though). http://www.answers.com/topic/list-of-automotive-superlatives It lists the smallest production V8s. Surely they could make a 3.0L V8 and get 30mpg highway, plus ruler-flat torque. (from answers.com) 208 GT4: 2.0L V8. Power output was 170 hp (126 kW) at 7,700 rpm for a top speed of 137 mph (220 km/h). 308 GT4: 3.0L V8. ...and produced 255 hp. There you go - 30 year old technology and it got 255HP without computers or variable-valve nonsense. 300HP today should be a cinch. Imagine a 300ft-lb/300HP 3.0L V8 that gets 30mpg highway. That would light a fire under GM's competition - and roast them good. Replace the V6s with tiny V8s and beat them at their own game. More torque, lighter weight, better exhaust sound... fyi - smallest V12? Ferrari 125. 1.5L V12. 100HP, DOHC engine. Carbs. One can only wonder what a modern version of such a tiny engine would do. Replies to this message: rockylee (Apr 18, 2006 9:36 pm)
#3526 of 11674 Re: GM woes [tlong] by rockylee Apr 18, 2006 (9:34 pm)
Replying to: tlong (Apr 18, 2006 9:19 pm) Why can't we have both ? Large and dominant and admired ? Maybe Rick Wagoner and Bob Lutz can accomplish this task.(I hope) A great politician like Edwards might also help accomplish the task. Replies to this message: m1miata (Apr 18, 2006 9:56 pm) rockylee (Apr 18, 2006 10:10 pm) m1miata (Apr 18, 2006 10:27 pm) and 6 more...
#3527 of 11674 Re: Small V8 [plekto] by rockylee Apr 18, 2006 (9:36 pm)
Replying to: plekto (Apr 18, 2006 9:33 pm) great idea's. I do like the Variable-Valve non-sense though Rocky
#3528 of 11674 Re: Union wants to build new Camaro at idled GM plant in Oklahoma [rockylee by m1miata Apr 18, 2006 (9:37 pm)
Replying to: rockylee (Apr 18, 2006 9:09 pm) Ummm, I do believe that is the Mustang which is America's first Pony car, along with the rest. If it is indeed 79.6" wide, as is the show car, it won't fit in my little town/city. Narrow streets and narrow parking spaces. Besides that, I don't want a large car, I want a sporty car. With gas to top $3.50 a gallon, something lighter weight, and with a nice little V6 or smaller V8 should do just fine. Shoot for 30 MPG, and 3,200#. I want looks good - less filling -Loren Replies to this message: rockylee (Apr 18, 2006 9:43 pm)
#3529 of 11674 Re: Union wants to build new Camaro at idled GM plant in Oklahoma [rockylee [m1miata] by rockylee Apr 18, 2006 (9:43 pm)
Replying to: m1miata (Apr 18, 2006 9:37 pm) Loren, I'm not sure you have any kids ? I think a Soltice GXP or Saturn Sky Redline would satisfy your thrills, while saving you a few bucks at the pump. Have you checked out the Sky ? 0-60 in 5.5 Also did you check out the new Saturn Aura ? Lemme know Rocky FYI check this out http://www.gmexperiencelive.com
#3530 of 11674 The Mustang might be original by rockylee Apr 18, 2006 (9:48 pm)
However the Camaro has and always will be the King of the Hill for real enthusiast of pony cars. The Camaro RS, Z-28, SS's, and the beloved I-Roc(My fav.) kicked the stuffing out of every generation of Mustangs past and present. What I mean by present they did a mathmatical calculation "a virtual reality race" against each other 09' Camaro vs Stang in this months Motor Trend and the Camaro won, just like it will in 09' I am personally hoping for a return of the I-Roc just to stir the pot. The I-Roc be the king of Camaro's and have it whip the crap out of the new Shelby Mustang GT What ? oh 500 Yawn Rocky
#3531 of 11674 Re: GM woes [rockylee] by m1miata Apr 18, 2006 (9:49 pm)
Replying to: rockylee (Apr 18, 2006 7:32 pm) You mean the lawyer John Edwards is gonna save the day -- whoopie! What could happen is the VAT tax becomes law and the National Health Care Plan is also enacted. Yes, it is a long shot. Something which could help the tax base and stabilize USA industries. Well maybe, is all I can say. I have not done any studies on the matter, but see it as a possible solution just from observation of other industrialized nations. I am not smart enough, nor have the crystal ball to say if it all works for America. National sales tax, and/or VAT may be a solution to expand the tax base so those not paying taxes will in fact have to pay. Don't need to start a political discussion here, but since you mentioned the government and GM in the same sentence, the possible solutions which came to mind were those two. -Loren Replies to this message: rockylee (Apr 18, 2006 10:01 pm) m1miata (Apr 18, 2006 10:17 pm) rockylee (Apr 18, 2006 11:11 pm) and 2 more... rockylee (Apr 18, 2006 11:21 pm)
#3532 of 11674 Re: GM woes [rockylee] by m1miata Apr 18, 2006 (9:56 pm)
Replying to: rockylee (Apr 18, 2006 9:34 pm) Because they will never be the low cost, value producer of the appliance car, let alone more advanced. They need to shoot for specialty cars, with some character, and American flair, and not worry about being number one, or market share. Worry only about your immediate market share of whatever niche they fit into, and which they do best. Lee Iacocca may save a company, but Edwards ??? I am sure Hillary is thinking of a plan. The plan - the plan, the??? -Loren Replies to this message: rockylee (Apr 18, 2006 10:10 pm) m1miata (Apr 18, 2006 10:27 pm) rockylee (Apr 18, 2006 11:33 pm) and 5 more...