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Replying to: imidazol97 (Dec 07, 2009 2:14 pm) I'd like to know more about this. Did you speak with him personally, or was he on TV? Was there no floor mat present in the car, or did he say that even though a floor mat was present, it wasn't the problem, but there was sudden acceleration anyway? How did he get the car to stop? At one point I thought you were discussing Click and Clack, but now you say local (Dayton?) More details please. |
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Dec 07, 2009 1:08 pm) It's interesting though how the accounts change of specific incidents: SAN LUIS OBISPO, CA – On February 5, 2007, Bulent and Anne Ezal were headed to lunch at the Pelican Point Restaurant in Pismo Beach, California. The restaurant is nestled on the edge of a cliff, affording dramatic views of the Pacific Ocean below. The parking lot was downhill of the restaurant, so Ezal rode the brakes of his 2005 Camry as he approached a parking space. He was at a complete stop, when the Camry suddenly accelerated, jumping a small curb, crashing through a fence and over the bluff. The vehicle fell 70 feet to the rocks below, and turned over once, coming to rest in the surf. Anne Ezal died of her injuries in the crash. Bulent Ezal later recovered. Seven months later, Jean Bookout and her friend Barbara Schwarz were exiting Interstate Highway 69 in Oklahoma – also in a 2005 Camry. As she sped down the ramp, Bookout, the driver, realized that she could not stop her car. She pulled the parking brake, leaving a 100-foot skid mark from right rear tire, and a 50-foot skid mark from the left. The Camry, however, continued speeding down the ramp, across the road at the bottom, and finally came to rest with its nose in an embankment. Schwarz died of her injuries; Bookout spent two months recovering from head and back injuries. So the LA Times and Safety Research & Strategies don't agree on some key points -- whom do you believe? (The SRS version of the first incident has all the earmarks of "pedal misapplication," and you could make a plausible argument for the same thing in the second case as well.) |
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Replying to: 210delray (Dec 07, 2009 7:18 pm) Unfortunately, doesn't really matter if this thing gets rolling in the media. Combine it with Tundra rust, Camry unintended acceleration questions and the like and it it can become a PR nightmare - ask VW Audi. Bottom line is Toyota needs to get a handle and halt it before it starts rollling or combined these things can hurt image and margins. |
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Replying to: berri (Dec 07, 2009 8:01 pm) Maybe, but this would have to occur over a long time; consider how long it took GM to fall from grace. For another take, see this. |
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Replying to: 210delray (Dec 07, 2009 8:15 pm) These events and reports will cement of the negative views of the ones with an inbred antipathy toward Toyota but the other 30-40 million who are not having any such problems like my wife and I, you, houdini, mcdawgg and others will look at our own experiences and say ' None of this applies to me. When and if it does I'll react. In the meanwhile we've driven 500,000 miles with one single problem on one single vehicle..' 26 reports on 600,000+ vehicles sold over two years? Are you kidding me? The reports are not even investigated yet to see if there's any basis for action or not. Many of the investigations that I noted in the link in the prior post are closed with no action.
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Dec 07, 2009 9:41 pm) Though I haven't had my car nearly as long as you guys, it still drives just like brand new; smooth and with a quiet engine. It almost seems as if there's like a witch-hunt going on right now against Toyota/Lexus. This is just IMHO. |
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Dec 07, 2009 9:41 pm) Mine was not inbred. It started with a POC 1964 Toyota Land Cruiser made out of Lucky Lager beer cans. The metals and parts in the 6 cylinder engine that was a direct copy of a Chevy 6, were substandard. Cost me a lot of time and money to keep it running after the warranty ran out. A new comer to Toyota such as yourself would not know what early owners went through so you could have a favorable experience with your recent model Toyotas. They really did not get their act together for about 30 years after opening up shop in the USA. Now they have gotten too big for their britches and the walls are tumbling down. Too bad, so sad. It happens to the best.
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