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#3239 of 3775 Re: Just talk. Just talk. [imidazol97] by berri Nov 09, 2009 (6:14 pm)
Replying to: imidazol97 (Nov 09, 2009 5:51 pm) This may well end up being mats peddle placement or design, or driver error, BUT all Toyota seems to have done is jump to the mat conclusion and state it as apparent fact. Ironically, its sounds a bit like Ford's initial position on their cruise control fiasco. Valid or not, it appears Toyota products are getting an abnormal number of unintended acceleration complaints. I believe it is incumbent on Toyota to quickly perform scientific testing on all possible problems to eliminate them before they say its solved with some twist ties. When a company acts like this it creates distrust in consumers. Toyota needs to back up their position in a scientific manner and open up publicly with the data and analysis. Replies to this message: kdhspyder (Nov 09, 2009 7:04 pm)
#3240 of 3775 Umm... by iluvmysephia1 Nov 09, 2009 (6:27 pm)
did we answer the question asked a few posts ago about whether or not people on the accident scene actually saw a floor mat pressed up underneath the accelerator on this crashed Lexus in SD? Or was everything burnt up too bad? Replies to this message: kdhspyder (Nov 09, 2009 7:07 pm)
#3241 of 3775 ummmm by mcdawgg Nov 09, 2009 (6:42 pm)
The NHTSA still has not found ANY evidence of unintended acceleration. I also read somewhere that they tried introducing electronic interference and something else to try to confuse the electronics - it did NOT work, the system still functioned correctly.
#3242 of 3775 You mean to tell me... by iluvmysephia1 Nov 09, 2009 (6:58 pm)
that Toyota and the NHTSA are both assuming that the floor mat got pushed up under the accelerator and caused the unstoppable speeding SD Lexus? Just because Toyota leads the league in this sort of fumble, eh?
#3243 of 3775 Re: Toyota's Response [berri] by kdhspyder Nov 09, 2009 (7:01 pm)
Replying to: berri (Nov 09, 2009 5:44 pm) Yes in the interim report by the NHTSA it stated that there was an incorrect All Weather mat in the vehicle. It was doubly incorrect. It was an All Weather mat designed from the hybrid SUV the RX400h. They identified it by the Part No. It has no place being in an ES350. It apparently wasn't secured into place either.   It was melted onto the gas pedal by the heat of the fire.   To answer the other point this was probably why the idiot at Toyota issued the ill-advised press release. He/she was immediately smacked down by the NHTSA and Toyota execs. STFU, stupid....or something to that effect.   As to the other reports of Unintended Acceleration there are many reports and they've been investigated all through this decade. The NHTSA has never been able to find anything other than All Weather floor mats as the cause...except driver error or outright lying ( fictitious report ). Neither has any crash scene investigator nor has any insurance company or any other indpendent impartial organization found any cause other than the occasional improperly placed All Weather mat.   What does that tell you?
#3244 of 3775 Re: Just talk. Just talk. [berri] by kdhspyder Nov 09, 2009 (7:04 pm)
Replying to: berri (Nov 09, 2009 6:14 pm) No actually it was the NHTSA that made the first statement leaning toward the All Weather mats as the cause. It was in their first report with pictures.
#3245 of 3775 Re: Umm... [iluvmysephia1] by kdhspyder Nov 09, 2009 (7:07 pm)
Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Nov 09, 2009 6:27 pm) did we answer the question asked a few posts ago about whether or not people on the accident scene actually saw a floor mat pressed up underneath the accelerator on this crashed Lexus in SD? Or was everything burnt up too bad?   See the two prior posts. Not only were they able to identify that the All Weather mats were there but they also could identify the Part No of the mats. The mats belonged in the hybrid SUV not the ES350.   This dealer is in a world of hurts from just about everybody on the planet. He might as well have rolled a bowling ball into the driver's footwell.
#3247 of 3775 Then... by iluvmysephia1 Nov 09, 2009 (7:46 pm)
it's the evidence of the burnt mat fused to the accelerator pedal that is the real problem here. Not Toyota floorpan design or maybe not even pedal design. Although both of those may be re-designed as a result of this investigation, the fault is the dealer for stacking mats. And a mat from the wrong rig no less.   Did they find the car's OEM mat under the hybrid SUV mat, too?
#3248 of 3775 Re: I wonder... [gagrice] by kdhspyder Nov 09, 2009 (9:09 pm)
Replying to: gagrice (Nov 08, 2009 6:50 pm) That is the biggest question in my mind. It would be the first thing I would do, long before the car got to 120 MPH. I was expecting the NHTSA or CR or somebody to test that aspect. What happens if you try shifting out of gear at 100 MPH+ in an ES350 with the throttle stuck wide open? The CR tests were worthless in duplicating this situation and the NHTSA only took pictures and identified the floor mat as being the wrong one. They also said the brakes were burnt up from trying to stop.   The rev limiter will protect the engine.   I tried it today in two different vehicles, an 08 Highlander 4WD at 65 mph in traffic and an 07 Prius at 55 mph in traffic. Shifting to N is immediate and immediately disconnects the wheels from the throttle input.

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