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Automotive News & Views Toyota in decline in 2009?
3721 messages, Last post on Dec 03, 2009 at 7:39 AM
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Auto coverup Read the stories about 1/4 of way down the page to the box titled Lexus Sudden Acceleration. Notice the statements. Most don't sound up or making excuses for driver carelessness to me! Listen to the audio and fit it to the pieces the mechanic is described as earlier saying. then all of a sudden it's Mats, Mats, Mats. Odd that some think it's the cruise control taking over.
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Nov 09, 2009 5:51 pm)
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did we answer the question asked a few posts ago about whether or not people on the accident scene actually saw a floor mat pressed up underneath the accelerator on this crashed Lexus in SD? Or was everything burnt up too bad?
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| The NHTSA still has not found ANY evidence of unintended acceleration. I also read somewhere that they tried introducing electronic interference and something else to try to confuse the electronics - it did NOT work, the system still functioned correctly. | |
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| that Toyota and the NHTSA are both assuming that the floor mat got pushed up under the accelerator and caused the unstoppable speeding SD Lexus? Just because Toyota leads the league in this sort of fumble, eh? | |
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Replying to: berri (Nov 09, 2009 5:44 pm) It was melted onto the gas pedal by the heat of the fire. To answer the other point this was probably why the idiot at Toyota issued the ill-advised press release. He/she was immediately smacked down by the NHTSA and Toyota execs. STFU, stupid....or something to that effect. As to the other reports of Unintended Acceleration there are many reports and they've been investigated all through this decade. The NHTSA has never been able to find anything other than All Weather floor mats as the cause...except driver error or outright lying ( fictitious report ). Neither has any crash scene investigator nor has any insurance company or any other indpendent impartial organization found any cause other than the occasional improperly placed All Weather mat. What does that tell you? |
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Replying to: berri (Nov 09, 2009 6:14 pm) |
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Nov 09, 2009 6:27 pm) See the two prior posts. Not only were they able to identify that the All Weather mats were there but they also could identify the Part No of the mats. The mats belonged in the hybrid SUV not the ES350. This dealer is in a world of hurts from just about everybody on the planet. He might as well have rolled a bowling ball into the driver's footwell. |
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it's the evidence of the burnt mat fused to the accelerator pedal that is the real problem here. Not Toyota floorpan design or maybe not even pedal design. Although both of those may be re-designed as a result of this investigation, the fault is the dealer for stacking mats. And a mat from the wrong rig no less. Did they find the car's OEM mat under the hybrid SUV mat, too? |
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