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#3237 of 3839 Re: Toyota's Response [kdhspyder] by berri Nov 09, 2009 (5:44 pm)
Replying to: kdhspyder (Nov 09, 2009 6:10 am) Until somebody impartial brings out something factual the AW mats as the cause are the issue. That part is true   Did they actually find a jammed floor mat in the crashed car? The LA Times article points to a rather potentially large number of unintended acceleration incidents on Toyota and Lexus. Seems kind of high for people just ignoring their floor mats or hitting the wrong pedal? Cars are getting very electronic, so isn't it possible there can be faults in a vehicle design? I mean it appears aircraft faults brought down the Air France Airbus. In the past two decades there have been previously undiscovered rudder faults on B737 and tail control faults on MD-80's, and aircraft are subject to much tighter design controls and maintenance and inspection than cars. Ford had incidents of cruise control igniting their vehicles into flames. At first it was poo-pooed, then it was supposed to be a minor number of vehicles and eventually it turned out to be a whole slew of vehicles potentially had the problem. What makes Toyota any less likely to have a hidden fault? So I guess I take a different perspective and remain a bit skeptical until Toyota factually proves otherwise. Its their product and they need to prove it isn't the problem and that their cars are safe! Besides, its not like Toyota is the only good vehicles out there, so why take a chance with your family until the matter is clearly resolved? Replies to this message: kdhspyder (Nov 09, 2009 7:01 pm)
#3238 of 3839 Just talk. Just talk. by imidazol97 Nov 09, 2009 (5:51 pm)
Auto coverup   Read the stories about 1/4 of way down the page to the box titled Lexus Sudden Acceleration. Notice the statements. Most don't sound up or making excuses for driver carelessness to me!   Listen to the audio and fit it to the pieces the mechanic is described as earlier saying. then all of a sudden it's Mats, Mats, Mats.   Odd that some think it's the cruise control taking over.   Replies to this message: berri (Nov 09, 2009 6:14 pm) kdhspyder (Nov 09, 2009 7:04 pm)
#3239 of 3839 Re: Just talk. Just talk. [imidazol97] by berri Nov 09, 2009 (6:14 pm)
Replying to: imidazol97 (Nov 09, 2009 5:51 pm) This may well end up being mats peddle placement or design, or driver error, BUT all Toyota seems to have done is jump to the mat conclusion and state it as apparent fact. Ironically, its sounds a bit like Ford's initial position on their cruise control fiasco. Valid or not, it appears Toyota products are getting an abnormal number of unintended acceleration complaints. I believe it is incumbent on Toyota to quickly perform scientific testing on all possible problems to eliminate them before they say its solved with some twist ties. When a company acts like this it creates distrust in consumers. Toyota needs to back up their position in a scientific manner and open up publicly with the data and analysis. Replies to this message: kdhspyder (Nov 09, 2009 7:04 pm)
#3240 of 3839 Umm... by iluvmysephia1 Nov 09, 2009 (6:27 pm)
did we answer the question asked a few posts ago about whether or not people on the accident scene actually saw a floor mat pressed up underneath the accelerator on this crashed Lexus in SD? Or was everything burnt up too bad? Replies to this message: kdhspyder (Nov 09, 2009 7:07 pm)
#3241 of 3839 ummmm by mcdawgg Nov 09, 2009 (6:42 pm)
The NHTSA still has not found ANY evidence of unintended acceleration. I also read somewhere that they tried introducing electronic interference and something else to try to confuse the electronics - it did NOT work, the system still functioned correctly.
#3242 of 3839 You mean to tell me... by iluvmysephia1 Nov 09, 2009 (6:58 pm)
that Toyota and the NHTSA are both assuming that the floor mat got pushed up under the accelerator and caused the unstoppable speeding SD Lexus? Just because Toyota leads the league in this sort of fumble, eh?
#3243 of 3839 Re: Toyota's Response [berri] by kdhspyder Nov 09, 2009 (7:01 pm)
Replying to: berri (Nov 09, 2009 5:44 pm) Yes in the interim report by the NHTSA it stated that there was an incorrect All Weather mat in the vehicle. It was doubly incorrect. It was an All Weather mat designed from the hybrid SUV the RX400h. They identified it by the Part No. It has no place being in an ES350. It apparently wasn't secured into place either.   It was melted onto the gas pedal by the heat of the fire.   To answer the other point this was probably why the idiot at Toyota issued the ill-advised press release. He/she was immediately smacked down by the NHTSA and Toyota execs. STFU, stupid....or something to that effect.   As to the other reports of Unintended Acceleration there are many reports and they've been investigated all through this decade. The NHTSA has never been able to find anything other than All Weather floor mats as the cause...except driver error or outright lying ( fictitious report ). Neither has any crash scene investigator nor has any insurance company or any other indpendent impartial organization found any cause other than the occasional improperly placed All Weather mat.   What does that tell you?
#3244 of 3839 Re: Just talk. Just talk. [berri] by kdhspyder Nov 09, 2009 (7:04 pm)
Replying to: berri (Nov 09, 2009 6:14 pm) No actually it was the NHTSA that made the first statement leaning toward the All Weather mats as the cause. It was in their first report with pictures.
#3245 of 3839 Re: Umm... [iluvmysephia1] by kdhspyder Nov 09, 2009 (7:07 pm)
Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Nov 09, 2009 6:27 pm) did we answer the question asked a few posts ago about whether or not people on the accident scene actually saw a floor mat pressed up underneath the accelerator on this crashed Lexus in SD? Or was everything burnt up too bad?   See the two prior posts. Not only were they able to identify that the All Weather mats were there but they also could identify the Part No of the mats. The mats belonged in the hybrid SUV not the ES350.   This dealer is in a world of hurts from just about everybody on the planet. He might as well have rolled a bowling ball into the driver's footwell.

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