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Replying to: imidazol97 (Nov 08, 2009 6:12 pm) Right, it's pushbutton, and uses mechanical connections. However, it does have some safety features built in. If you press reverse going at a forward speed of more than 10 mph, it'll just go into neutral. And if you try to press 1st or 2nd at too fast of a speed (I think 50 and 75 mph, respectively, or somewhere close) it won't downshift. That's to keep from over-revving the engine, but in an emergency situation where you need to slow the thing down, I guess that would work against you. However, you can throw it into neutral at whatever speed you want. And if you had to kill the power, it wouldn't be too hard to haul it down from a high speed. Power steering assist is negligible at highway speeds in most cars...you really only need it in tight, slow, cornering situations, parking, etc. And while you'd probably use up your vacuum reserve pretty quickly, it has beefy 12" drum brakes at all four wheels that will more than do the job. If you lose power, you're actually better off with all-drum brakes, because they require much less pedal effort from the driver. As for the parking brake, it does clamp down on the driveshaft. However, I do know, from experience, that the engine can over-ride the brake. Years ago, I drove my grandmother to the grocery store in the car. I hadn't had the car very long, wasn't quite used to its idiosyncracies, and forgot to release the parking brake. Drove it about 2 miles to the store with it on. Back in those days, you had to pay extra if you wanted a warning light to remind you that the parking brake was on, and whoever bought originally bought this car didn't spring for that! I don't think I did any permanent damage, though. That was 19 years ago, and the parking brake still works fine today (even if the real brakes don't!  )
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 08, 2009 7:41 pm)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Nov 09, 2009 6:10 am) Did they actually find a jammed floor mat in the crashed car? The LA Times article points to a rather potentially large number of unintended acceleration incidents on Toyota and Lexus. Seems kind of high for people just ignoring their floor mats or hitting the wrong pedal? Cars are getting very electronic, so isn't it possible there can be faults in a vehicle design? I mean it appears aircraft faults brought down the Air France Airbus. In the past two decades there have been previously undiscovered rudder faults on B737 and tail control faults on MD-80's, and aircraft are subject to much tighter design controls and maintenance and inspection than cars. Ford had incidents of cruise control igniting their vehicles into flames. At first it was poo-pooed, then it was supposed to be a minor number of vehicles and eventually it turned out to be a whole slew of vehicles potentially had the problem. What makes Toyota any less likely to have a hidden fault? So I guess I take a different perspective and remain a bit skeptical until Toyota factually proves otherwise. Its their product and they need to prove it isn't the problem and that their cars are safe! Besides, its not like Toyota is the only good vehicles out there, so why take a chance with your family until the matter is clearly resolved?
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Auto coverup Read the stories about 1/4 of way down the page to the box titled Lexus Sudden Acceleration. Notice the statements. Most don't sound up or making excuses for driver carelessness to me! Listen to the audio and fit it to the pieces the mechanic is described as earlier saying. then all of a sudden it's Mats, Mats, Mats. Odd that some think it's the cruise control taking over.
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Nov 09, 2009 5:51 pm)
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did we answer the question asked a few posts ago about whether or not people on the accident scene actually saw a floor mat pressed up underneath the accelerator on this crashed Lexus in SD? Or was everything burnt up too bad?
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| The NHTSA still has not found ANY evidence of unintended acceleration. I also read somewhere that they tried introducing electronic interference and something else to try to confuse the electronics - it did NOT work, the system still functioned correctly. | |
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| that Toyota and the NHTSA are both assuming that the floor mat got pushed up under the accelerator and caused the unstoppable speeding SD Lexus? Just because Toyota leads the league in this sort of fumble, eh? | |
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Replying to: berri (Nov 09, 2009 5:44 pm) It was melted onto the gas pedal by the heat of the fire. To answer the other point this was probably why the idiot at Toyota issued the ill-advised press release. He/she was immediately smacked down by the NHTSA and Toyota execs. STFU, stupid....or something to that effect. As to the other reports of Unintended Acceleration there are many reports and they've been investigated all through this decade. The NHTSA has never been able to find anything other than All Weather floor mats as the cause...except driver error or outright lying ( fictitious report ). Neither has any crash scene investigator nor has any insurance company or any other indpendent impartial organization found any cause other than the occasional improperly placed All Weather mat. What does that tell you? |
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Replying to: berri (Nov 09, 2009 6:14 pm) |
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