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http://pressroom.toyota.com/pr/tms/default.aspx Basically says that the NHTSA still has found NO evidence of unintended acceleration except for when the floor mats were unsecured or incorrect. So, it still is a floor mat issue.
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Replying to: mcdawgg (Nov 08, 2009 7:29 pm) Regulators slam Toyota over 'no defect' claim U.S. auto safety agency rebukes an assertion that it found nothing wrong in vehicles involved in a massive recall over incidents of unintended acceleration. Federal safety regulators have sharply rebuked Toyota Motor Corp. for issuing "inaccurate and misleading" statements asserting that no defect exists in the 3.8 million vehicles it recalled after a Lexus sedan accelerated out of control in San Diego County, killing four people. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration issued a statement Wednesday that the recalled Toyota and Lexus vehicles do have an "underlying defect" that involves the design of the accelerator pedal and the driver's foot well. In response to the NHTSA statement, Toyota said it was "never our intention to mislead or provide inaccurate information." The statement added that it was still developing "vehicle-based" remedies to prevent unintended acceleration events, in which motorists say their vehicles suddenly speed out of control. Toyota spokesman Brian Lyons suggested last month that these remedies might include changes in the placement of the pedals, or a change to the engine control software in the vehicles' onboard computers. On Wednesday, however, Lyons declined to comment on any specific fixes. http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-toyota-recall5-2009nov05,0,7645994.story?t- rack=rss
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 08, 2009 7:35 pm)
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Replying to: mcdawgg (Nov 08, 2009 7:36 pm)
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Gee, I wonder if there's anything ELSE going on at Toyota besides this investigation into an event that happened two months ago? 100 posts a day and nothing new has been said for days. Hey gagrice, this has been the "cover-up decade" at Toyota. Toyota IS the new GM (which leaves me unsure what the "new GM" is...). I think that might be what you want to hear, and I think it's a safe statement. But it would be neat to talk about other Toyota news as well... In a way, it's kind of fascinating to watch these two mega-corporations gradually get themselves in more and more trouble as cost-cutting increases to the max and beyond (which was news this week at Toyota: they are projecting much smaller than expected losses this year now, due to a VERY successful, VERY aggressive cost-cutting program initiated 12 months ago; you have to wonder what costs they had left to cut after the devasatation they wreaked across the line in the 90s) while quality and design fall to the lowest common denominator in a misguided quest to remain the biggest... 
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Replying to: nippononly (Nov 08, 2009 10:25 pm) In ~7 weeks this discussion will be past its sell by date. 
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Nov 08, 2009 6:12 pm) Right, it's pushbutton, and uses mechanical connections. However, it does have some safety features built in. If you press reverse going at a forward speed of more than 10 mph, it'll just go into neutral. And if you try to press 1st or 2nd at too fast of a speed (I think 50 and 75 mph, respectively, or somewhere close) it won't downshift. That's to keep from over-revving the engine, but in an emergency situation where you need to slow the thing down, I guess that would work against you. However, you can throw it into neutral at whatever speed you want. And if you had to kill the power, it wouldn't be too hard to haul it down from a high speed. Power steering assist is negligible at highway speeds in most cars...you really only need it in tight, slow, cornering situations, parking, etc. And while you'd probably use up your vacuum reserve pretty quickly, it has beefy 12" drum brakes at all four wheels that will more than do the job. If you lose power, you're actually better off with all-drum brakes, because they require much less pedal effort from the driver. As for the parking brake, it does clamp down on the driveshaft. However, I do know, from experience, that the engine can over-ride the brake. Years ago, I drove my grandmother to the grocery store in the car. I hadn't had the car very long, wasn't quite used to its idiosyncracies, and forgot to release the parking brake. Drove it about 2 miles to the store with it on. Back in those days, you had to pay extra if you wanted a warning light to remind you that the parking brake was on, and whoever bought originally bought this car didn't spring for that! I don't think I did any permanent damage, though. That was 19 years ago, and the parking brake still works fine today (even if the real brakes don't!  )
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 08, 2009 7:41 pm)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Nov 09, 2009 6:10 am) Did they actually find a jammed floor mat in the crashed car? The LA Times article points to a rather potentially large number of unintended acceleration incidents on Toyota and Lexus. Seems kind of high for people just ignoring their floor mats or hitting the wrong pedal? Cars are getting very electronic, so isn't it possible there can be faults in a vehicle design? I mean it appears aircraft faults brought down the Air France Airbus. In the past two decades there have been previously undiscovered rudder faults on B737 and tail control faults on MD-80's, and aircraft are subject to much tighter design controls and maintenance and inspection than cars. Ford had incidents of cruise control igniting their vehicles into flames. At first it was poo-pooed, then it was supposed to be a minor number of vehicles and eventually it turned out to be a whole slew of vehicles potentially had the problem. What makes Toyota any less likely to have a hidden fault? So I guess I take a different perspective and remain a bit skeptical until Toyota factually proves otherwise. Its their product and they need to prove it isn't the problem and that their cars are safe! Besides, its not like Toyota is the only good vehicles out there, so why take a chance with your family until the matter is clearly resolved?
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