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Toyota in decline in 2009?

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Re: I wonder... [british_rover] by explorerx4
Nov 07, 2009 (5:16 pm)
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Replying to: british_rover (Nov 07, 2009 10:28 am)

btw, for some reason, i happened upon the flash point of transmission fluid, 421 degrees fahrenheit. *cough* can't shift transmission *cough* .
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Re: Kill switch [explorerx4] by surrfurtom
Nov 07, 2009 (5:46 pm)
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Nov 07, 2009 5:10 pm)

That smart gas pedal might be a very adequate solution for stuck gas pedals but it only works when the car is in motion. It tells the signal to the brake to override the throttle control.
 
There might be a time though when the engine is running wild after an accident, and is pumping fuel through a broken fuel line etc even though vehicle motion is stopped. The obvious solution anytime you are involved in an accident is to shut off the engine immediately and that can be done only by directly opening the ignition circuit in gasoline internal combustion engines. If it is diesel then shut off fuel.
 
I still can't get hung up on the floor mats as being the root cause of these accidents. I've had cars for years that had floor mats that moved around sufficiently to sometimes get in the way of full brake and throttle action. I ended up securing them to the floor using velcro or cable ties to a floor post and that was the end of the problem. In the end I knew I could always shut down the engine by turning off the key. I used that the one time that the mat caused the accelerator pedal to become stuck in my driveway.
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Re: I wonder... [explorerx4] by kdhspyder
Nov 07, 2009 (6:17 pm)
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Nov 07, 2009 2:52 pm)

My comment had nothing to do with this subject. It was simply a thanks for alerting me to something I didn't know before. No motive other than to be gracious.
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Re: Kill switch [surrfurtom] by explorerx4
Nov 07, 2009 (6:18 pm)
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Replying to: surrfurtom (Nov 07, 2009 5:46 pm)

you really need to review the NHTSA report about this incident.
it would help you make more informed posts.
also, have you ever heard of an inertia switch?
these have been around at least since the early 80's when fuel injection became mainstream.
shutting off the engine cuts off the power assist to the steering and brakes.
smart pedal retains them.
i like that better.
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Re: Kill switch [surrfurtom] by kdhspyder
Nov 07, 2009 (6:22 pm)
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Replying to: surrfurtom (Nov 07, 2009 4:49 pm)

Over on Prius Chat they have been doing exactly this. As corvette noted there is no chance of grenading your engine if you have a more modern one. The rev limiter works as explained.
 
At 80 mph the engine slows to idle and the vehicle slows down.
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Re: I wonder... [kdhspyder] by explorerx4
Nov 07, 2009 (6:49 pm)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Nov 07, 2009 6:17 pm)

something you didn't know, but is it real?
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Re: Kill switch [surrfurtom] by 210delray
Nov 07, 2009 (7:56 pm)
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Replying to: surrfurtom (Nov 07, 2009 5:46 pm)

There might be a time though when the engine is running wild after an accident, and is pumping fuel through a broken fuel line etc even though vehicle motion is stopped.
 
As has been noted, this is generally not true for today's cars. Many will shut down the fuel pump, turn on the hazard flashers and interior dome light, and unlock the doors. Some, such as GM cars with OnStar, will automatically call 911 if the impact is severe enough.
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Re: I said I'd check the 2010 LaCrosse owner's manual [210delray] by lemko
Nov 08, 2009 (11:02 am)
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Replying to: 210delray (Nov 06, 2009 7:09 pm)

Hmmm! I'll have to look at the manual for my Cadillac DTS Performance and see if it has a chapter on defensive driving. The thing's already as thick as a Microsoft manual and comes with a smaller quick reference manual which itself is thicker than the entire owner's manual that came with my 1968 Buick Special Deluxe.
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Re: I wonder... [gagrice] by lemko
Nov 08, 2009 (11:05 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 06, 2009 8:11 pm)

The fact that the CHP officer didn't get killed or kill somebody else a lot quicker in the incident attests to his driving skills.
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Re: I wonder... [kdhspyder] by lemko
Nov 08, 2009 (11:11 am)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Nov 07, 2009 7:18 am)

"Smart pedals" feh! Just another cost added to already too expensive cars. Imagine what a horrible monster a horse would be if the government forced genetic engineers to require "safety features" spliced into equine DNA!

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