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Automotive News & Views Toyota in decline in 2009?
3863 messages, Last post on Dec 08, 2009 at 7:02 PM
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Nov 07, 2009 11:33 am) If I had a situation of unanticipated WOT, I agree that shifting to neutral is an option, albeit a very expensive one that we all know will self destruct the engine in short order. It would cost thousands of dollars. It would be something that many would delay doing until it might be too late and that would lead to a bad outcome. Secondly the self destruction of the engine would also lead to loss of of all power assists so we are back to square one. I've driven cars that unexpectedly lost power and it does require concentration and effort to steer and apply brakes but it is still feasible. Under no circumstances should either a familiar or unfamiliar driver be put in a position where they do not know how to shut down the engine immediately. Toyota somehow missed the boat to provide a commonsensical solution to this problem that would save dollars and lives and that is the need for an obvious labeled kill switch that is accessible to drivers and passengers. We can discuss the need for powerful brakes and in place floor mats but the obvious first need to any unforeseen circumstance is the ability to shut down the car.
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Replying to: surrfurtom (Nov 07, 2009 4:36 pm) Not sure where you got your info, but modern cars have rev limiters. You can put your foot to the floor in Park or Neutral and they won't go much over the redline. Some cars won't exceed 4,000 rpm when the transmission is in Park or Neutral. |
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Replying to: corvette (Nov 07, 2009 4:38 pm) |
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Replying to: surrfurtom (Nov 07, 2009 4:49 pm)
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Replying to: british_rover (Nov 07, 2009 10:28 am) |
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Nov 07, 2009 5:10 pm) There might be a time though when the engine is running wild after an accident, and is pumping fuel through a broken fuel line etc even though vehicle motion is stopped. The obvious solution anytime you are involved in an accident is to shut off the engine immediately and that can be done only by directly opening the ignition circuit in gasoline internal combustion engines. If it is diesel then shut off fuel. I still can't get hung up on the floor mats as being the root cause of these accidents. I've had cars for years that had floor mats that moved around sufficiently to sometimes get in the way of full brake and throttle action. I ended up securing them to the floor using velcro or cable ties to a floor post and that was the end of the problem. In the end I knew I could always shut down the engine by turning off the key. I used that the one time that the mat caused the accelerator pedal to become stuck in my driveway.
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Nov 07, 2009 2:52 pm)
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Replying to: surrfurtom (Nov 07, 2009 5:46 pm) it would help you make more informed posts. also, have you ever heard of an inertia switch? these have been around at least since the early 80's when fuel injection became mainstream. shutting off the engine cuts off the power assist to the steering and brakes. smart pedal retains them. i like that better. |
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Replying to: surrfurtom (Nov 07, 2009 4:49 pm) At 80 mph the engine slows to idle and the vehicle slows down. |
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Nov 07, 2009 6:17 pm) |
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