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Toyota in decline in 2009?

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Re: I wonder... [british_rover] by kdhspyder
Nov 07, 2009 (11:08 am)
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Replying to: british_rover (Nov 07, 2009 10:28 am)

Good data. Thanks.
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Kill switch by surrfurtom
Nov 07, 2009 (11:27 am)
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Most any piece of machinery has a kill button/switch. It immediately (not 3 long seconds later) shuts down the power in an emergency. For many years the key switch on cars has provided that function. For 99% of drivers that is the intuitive method of shutting off the engine. Turn the key to off and the engine shuts down. This is a major design/safety flaw when Toyota didn't provide such an obvious kill switch, easily accessible to both driver and passenger, when they went to the new push button. Had that been provided, the brake and floor mat issue wouldn't be nearly as relevant.
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Re: Kill switch [surrfurtom] by kdhspyder
Nov 07, 2009 (11:33 am)
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Replying to: surrfurtom (Nov 07, 2009 11:27 am)

True it should be more intuitive. The START/STOP button is new -relatively - but there are millions of them on the road now and millions of drivers do understand how to use them.
 
But actually there's an easier and safer method. When you kill power to the vhehicle, any vehicle, you lose all power assists. It's not impossible to control it but it's a lot harder to do so.
 
Shifting to Neutral is much better. Doing this disconnects the wheels from the throttle and all power assists are still available.
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Re: I wonder... [kdhspyder] by grandtotal
Nov 07, 2009 (2:11 pm)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Nov 07, 2009 7:52 am)

Your Sequoia, my Prius, your next Tahoe, a Milan, a Ram all of them are going to lose braking capability at WOT when the brakes are applied unless the throttle is cancelled somehow via smart pedals.
 
Your Prius will not lose braking assistance at WOT. The vacuum is provided by an electrically driven pump.
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Re: I wonder... [grandtotal] by kdhspyder
Nov 07, 2009 (2:39 pm)
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Replying to: grandtotal (Nov 07, 2009 2:11 pm)

I didn't know that. Good info to add to the file, tks.
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Re: I wonder... [kdhspyder] by explorerx4
Nov 07, 2009 (2:52 pm)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Nov 07, 2009 2:39 pm)

you are so willing to jump on anything someone posts that 'could' support you.
what is the capacity of this electric driven pump?
considering the Prius is all about efficiency, it probably isn't designed for over capacity.
look at it this way, do you think a Prius a/c compressor could work in a Sequoia?
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Re: I wonder... [british_rover] by corvette
Nov 07, 2009 (2:52 pm)
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Replying to: british_rover (Nov 07, 2009 10:28 am)

Right, and if you let up on the brake pedal because the car wasn't slowing down fast enough, it would cause even more heat to build up in the system.
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Re: I wonder... [grandtotal] by corvette
Nov 07, 2009 (2:55 pm)
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Replying to: grandtotal (Nov 07, 2009 2:11 pm)

Your Prius will not lose braking assistance at WOT. The vacuum is provided by an electrically driven pump.
 
I'm even more surprised the hybrids don't have a smart pedal, since left-foot braking is detrimental to fuel efficiency. I'm guessing that, on a hybrid, the first bit of brake pedal travel only activates the regenerative braking system and not the disc brakes.
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Re: I wonder... [explorerx4] by grandtotal
Nov 07, 2009 (2:59 pm)
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Nov 07, 2009 2:52 pm)

do you think a Prius a/c compressor could work in a Sequoia?
 
Would it work? Yes. Would a compressor designed for a midsize car be adequate for a fullsize SUV? No.
 
What's your point?
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Re: I wonder... [grandtotal] by explorerx4
Nov 07, 2009 (3:46 pm)
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Replying to: grandtotal (Nov 07, 2009 2:59 pm)

my point is a piece of equipment designed for normal operation, may not work as expected under extreme circumstances.
just because it is electric does not mean much.

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