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3537 messages, Last post on Nov 25, 2009 at 1:20 PM
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Replying to: andre1969 (Nov 06, 2009 5:13 am) |
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 05, 2009 9:20 pm) Plus, in a true emergenecy, it would be so easy and intuitive, just hit the "off" to stop unintended acceleration. |
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and none of this holding the button in for 3 seconds nonsense. We need that operation to be even more simple than that. A separate "on" and "off" button should suffice well.
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Replying to: grandtotal (Nov 06, 2009 4:18 am) Just noticed this, and I have to say a huge "DITTO". Automakers these days need to assume that owners are ignorant of basic safety measures related to operating an automobile, and that no-one will read the operator's manual. It may be that Toyota didn't take that into account enough with the design of their recent models. I think it quite likely.
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Nov 06, 2009 8:12 am) |
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good question. They'll have to locate the "off" button away from your cupholder, then! See, we're doing automotive imagineering here. 
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Nov 06, 2009 7:29 am)  We know he was accelerating for more than 50 seconds, because the 911 call lasted 50 seconds. How long was it "stuck" before the 911 call started? My guess is at LEAST 30 seconds - that gives them time to realize, "hey, we might need outside help here." That gives him at least 80 seconds to think clearly enough and realize, "hey, the floor mat is causing this problem. I just need to get it unstuck." No other thought pattern makes a lick of sense, does it? If he thought the floor mat was about to kill him, his wife, his daughter, and his brother in law, then nothing short of God Himself would have stopped him from going into the floor and solving that problem. And no amount of RUBBER, even if it is 2" thick, would stop ME from pulling that mat out, if my kids and I were about to die if I did not pull it loose. Why would it have stopped HIM, either? I can't envision a scenario when I would have 80 seconds to pull a floor mat off of a stuck accelerator pedal and NOT be able to do that. Can you? |
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Replying to: nippononly (Nov 06, 2009 8:12 am) Everyone can sit in their nice chairs and speculate about this situation (about why this CHP person did not pull out the mat, or if he did), but until you are actually in this situation, it is all bunk. I still bet the improper use of the mats are THE problem. It seems now that people want Toyota to engineer for ignorance, to put it nicely. You might as well just stop selling cars!!
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 05, 2009 9:20 pm) It's unproven innuendos like this trash that make most of your posts worthless. In fact the very opposite is true. In the beginning of the Gen 2 Prius' there was an over protective buffer between the gas supply and the ICE that shut people down too early. This made the vehicle seem to 'stall'. It was made less protective at the end of 2004 and it's never been a problem since then. This is the actual situation but truth and accuracy are not very important apparently in your neck of the woods. Facts are the only arbiter. Post actual facts if you want to be taken seriously.
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Replying to: larsb (Nov 06, 2009 6:27 am) Anyone have a good reason why he could not do that Maybe for the same reason that he didn't think to move the mat off the pedal. Having learned to drive on a manual tranny my first impression in a panic situation is brake/clutch/shift into Neutral. As to why he didn't move the mat? Maybe he never considered it. In the latest report by the NHTSA it noted that the All Weather mat was moved forward and apparently melted onto the top of the gas pedal due to the fire. It apparently was out of place and the driver may not have been aware of it. What I do know from meeting the public daily is that cars and their operation are not a major interest of 90+% of the population. Even this situation involves all of 12 of us  . We might look at the mats as a cause but we don't know for certain. Take 10 random people off the street and ask them this question..'You're driving a car and suddenly find yourself going 100 mph and you can't slow down. What do you do?' How many of the general public do you think will respond, 'Move the All Weather mat backward.'? Not many I'd guess. Lot's of unknowns.
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