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Automotive News & Views Toyota in decline in 2009?
3865 messages, Last post on Dec 09, 2009 at 12:04 PM
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| it still doesn't excuse the servicing dealer for plopping an extra mat over the other one, eh? What's the point there? Covering up a muddy mat with a clean one from the wrong Toyota vehicle? Or what? Seems simple, but that mistake shouldn't be repeated over again. | |
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Nov 05, 2009 7:58 pm) If it had just been one of these things by itself, maybe the wreck could have been avoided.
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 05, 2009 8:01 pm)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Nov 05, 2009 6:21 pm) There were two interesting parts of that post. The CR results are very informative and probably the basis of what every vehicle maker will be doing in the future....or they better be. The other is the unsolicited testamony of an expert in the field based on his own experiences. His conclusion as I read it was that such errors are almost always driver-induced errors. In the Cali case I think as Steve said it was a combination of errors but IMO originally caused by the mats being where they shouldn't have been. |
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| by putting the mats where they were. That's preposterous. But I think you're right, kdhspyder, it's the All Weather mat placement that caused that accident. | |
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Nov 05, 2009 8:21 pm) Of if the car had a key switch instead of an on/off button. Lots of ifs. |
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I think it was the All Weather mat placement wholly to blame. It stuck to the accelerator(the exact science of it may some day be illustrated for us in newspapers and on the net)in a manner that rendered the accelerator stuck in the "fully on" position and it could not be pried loose. Going 100+ is a tough time to unstick an accelerator, huh? I mean, I've bent down while driving to pick up things like candy bars, donuts, french fries, hamburgers, etc. But that was done very quickly and to tell you the truth, I don't think one could bend down, reach up forward and unstick a floor mat/accelerator combo while driving. Present 100+ mph speeds and you're really up a creek without a decent aluminum paddle.
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Nov 05, 2009 9:05 pm) So you had a driver in a loaner vehicle that he was unfamiliar with, with the wrong, oversized mat, an unfamiliar on/off switch, unfamiliar gear selector lever, maybe some other stuff. The mat may be the cause, but all that stuff together added up to the tragedy.
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what Toyota will do to remedy this situation. I was reading today something about the shape of Toyota floorboards and the accelerators both coming under close strutiny. Imagine a recall in which a carmaker had to refit a floorboard piece under the driver and replace an accelerator! Good golly Miss Molly! The time and expense and embarrassment!
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Nov 05, 2009 9:10 pm) Toyota has known the accelerator peddle was problematic since late 2003. No sooner had the 2004 Prius come out and people were reporting runaway acceleration. Not only did Toyota ignore the obvious, they continued to use the same crappy design with fatal accidents across the country. I blame it on the arrogance that Toyota engineering has portrayed since the 1990s. They feel superior to the rest of the World when it comes to automotive design. Now they get to pay for that arrogance. Germany went through the same thing and Lexus kicked Mercedes butt. Sadly the D3 has had little to be proud or arrogant about for several decades when it comes to automobiles.
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