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Toyota in decline in 2009?

3864 messages, Last post on Dec 09, 2009 at 11:15 AM

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#3069 of 3864 Re: One only needs [210delray] by houdini1 Nov 03, 2009 (7:05 pm)
Replying to: 210delray (Nov 03, 2009 6:07 pm) This will end up just like the Audi fiasco. A bunch of hysterical people swearing they were hitting the brake when they were hitting the gas. After a while they even believed it themselves. Some people will say or do anything to keep from admitting that they made a mistake. The "smart" gas pedal makes sense, but that probably won't end the unintended acceleration fairy tale. Those same folks will still insist that the darn thing must have malfunctioned when they drove thru the garage doors, over a cliff, or whatever. Replies to this message: 210delray (Nov 03, 2009 7:18 pm)
#3070 of 3864 Re: One only needs [houdini1] by 210delray Nov 03, 2009 (7:18 pm)
Replying to: houdini1 (Nov 03, 2009 7:05 pm) You're right about the smart gas pedal not solving the problem of stepping on the gas when they really want to brake. That "over the cliff" into the Pacific story has the hallmarks of this. Now, I'm no spring chicken myself anymore, but when it said that couple had been married for 46 years, that's starting to get up there, and mistakes like that aren't unusual for some older people.
#3071 of 3864 Re: One only needs [imidazol97] by corvette Nov 03, 2009 (7:39 pm)
Replying to: imidazol97 (Nov 03, 2009 6:44 pm) At high engine revs, there won't be a lot of power assist on the brakes. FWIW, I tested my Epsilon-platform GM vehicle this morning at about 30 MPH (don't try this at home, etc.), and it appears it does not have a "smart pedal," but the gas pedal is far enough off the floorboard that it would be difficult for a floormat to bunch up over it.
#3072 of 3864 Re: One only needs [210delray] by gagrice Nov 03, 2009 (7:39 pm)
Replying to: 210delray (Nov 03, 2009 6:20 pm) but you have a better memory than me on her going bonkers over vacuum cleaners! My complaint is with Kirby. I never got the free Fly-in Hunting trip the salesman promised. That was about 1972. What a sucker I was paying $1200 for a stinking vacuum cleaner. No wonder I am such a cynic today. Replies to this message: 210delray (Nov 04, 2009 5:55 am) gagrice (Nov 04, 2009 6:38 am) andres3 (Nov 05, 2009 4:00 pm) imidazol97 (Nov 05, 2009 4:55 pm)
#3073 of 3864 Re: One only needs [gagrice] by 210delray Nov 04, 2009 (5:55 am)
Replying to: gagrice (Nov 03, 2009 7:39 pm) LOL! For a few hundred more, you could have bought a VW Beetle or Toyota Corolla back then! Replies to this message: gagrice (Nov 04, 2009 6:38 am)
#3074 of 3864 Re: One only needs [210delray] by gagrice Nov 04, 2009 (6:38 am)
Replying to: 210delray (Nov 04, 2009 5:55 am) I had just bought a new 71 Nissan PU for $2000. Great little truck. Kirby was over rated.
#3075 of 3864 Re: One only needs [imidazol97] by andre1969 Nov 04, 2009 (7:39 am)
Replying to: imidazol97 (Nov 03, 2009 6:44 pm) But that was okay because it was a GM pickup that they were trying to show had a potential to catch fire, wasn't it? It better not be okay...I drove to work in one of those today! IIRC, the accident that started that particular scandal involved a saddle-tank GM truck getting t-boned at 73 mph. I'm guessing the driver would have been killed even if the truck hadn't caught on fire. And I have a feeling that anything that gets hit at 73 mph in close proximity to its fuel tank has a fairly good chance of leaking fuel. Replies to this message: lemko (Nov 04, 2009 8:25 am) imidazol97 (Nov 04, 2009 8:37 am)
#3076 of 3864 Re: rebellion? or picking on #1? [gagrice] by kdhspyder Nov 04, 2009 (8:14 am)
Replying to: gagrice (Nov 03, 2009 5:04 pm) While it may be driver error. No one likes to be told that. So when it is opened up to National scrutiny all those folks that felt blown off by Toyota will surface. You can expect a level of scrutiny to be at least as much as the Ford Firestone fiasco. Remember this is a much stronger consumer climate than existed a couple years ago. This Congress is not as Big Business friendly as the last. This could cost Toyota some serious money to resolve. The highlighted text clealy indicates that this is simply your opinion. Your opinion may prove to be right or it may not prove to be right. Thus far no other facts are known so nothing else can be determined until more are known. Replies to this message: imidazol97 (Nov 04, 2009 8:44 am)
#3077 of 3864 Re: One only needs [andre1969] by lemko Nov 04, 2009 (8:25 am)
Replying to: andre1969 (Nov 04, 2009 7:39 am) Yeah, and with a whole bunch of model rocket engines taped to the tank as well! Replies to this message: imidazol97 (Nov 04, 2009 8:37 am)
#3078 of 3864 Re: One only needs [lemko] by imidazol97 Nov 04, 2009 (8:37 am)
Replying to: lemko (Nov 04, 2009 8:25 am) >Yeah, and with a whole bunch of model rocket engines The talking heads for the report were Stone Phillips and ?????, who was the lady? Like much of the news it's the people writing the stories in the background that get their personal politics or opinions out front with the power of the pen. But I never liked Stone Phillips after that.

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