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Automotive News & Views Toyota in decline in 2009?
3864 messages, Last post on Dec 09, 2009 at 11:15 AM
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One only needs to read the public comments after the article to find several credible comments re unexpected acceleration. They don't all sound like idiots or publicity seekers by the verbage they're using. They are credible. But a universal theme seems to be that they were brushed off--like a chunk of engine sludge, I mean engine gel.
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 03, 2009 3:14 pm)  4 lives were lost.Yes,very tragic. But negligence and stupidity was a big part here,both by the dealer and the driver. Tending to blame everyone except self is becoming the fashion nowadays. Doesn`t matter if the vehicle involved was a Toyota,Honda,Ford,Chevy,Dodge-- the same rule applies. It was an unfortunate accident due to negligence,stupidity and panic with loss of clear thinking..Sad,very sad but true.
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Nov 03, 2009 2:25 pm) I stand corrected. Some of the news reports made it sound like there was a pivot underneath the pedal which could pull the pedal downward. I can't help but wonder whether or when the American appetite for a good scandal will overpower the American appetite for Toyota's cars.
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Replying to: deltheking (Nov 03, 2009 4:34 pm) So, if you're GM what do you do? "Hi, this is Onstar. I see you're going 120 mph in a 45 zone. Shall I turn off your engine for you?" |
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Replying to: deltheking (Nov 03, 2009 4:34 pm) It is all the Toyota owners that were blown off by Toyota over the last 6 years when they claimed their cars unexpectedly accelerated. It was four lives in the most recent runaway wreck. There are at least 5 fatal accidents and 100s of non fatal accidents. NHTSA has cleared Toyota I presume. NO, they have not. Read the latest news report that Steve just posted. The Feds expect Toyota to come up with remedies not just rhetoric. At the very least they need to develop an over ride when the brakes are applied with WOT. That is something VW, Audi, BMW and MB have had for close to a decade.
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Nov 03, 2009 4:31 pm) Facts are the only aribitor. Everything else is opinion ( yours/mine ) or hearsay ( the commentors ). Without real facts and data nothing can be said definitively.
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 03, 2009 4:44 pm) In the cases investigated the cause has always been the AWMs or probable driver error. That's all that can be said factually. Yes the 'Smart Pedal' solution is the likely solution IMO....as it will be for every other vehicle maker here as well. This is good for all of us in the long run.
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Nov 03, 2009 4:50 pm)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Nov 03, 2009 2:59 pm) Here's a good summary on what the "black box" could reveal: Engine speed Whether the brake pedal was applied or not Vehicle speed To what extent the accelerator pedal was depressed Position of the transmission selector lever Whether the driver and front passenger wore the seat belts or not Driver's seat position Front passenger's occupant classification SRS airbag deployment data bertha06, "Toyota Sienna Uncontrolled Acceleration" #60, 30 Jun 2009 3:51 pm There could be more, from the VSC system etc. And btw, that uncontrolled acceleration discussion started three years ago this month.
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