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3863 messages, Last post on Dec 08, 2009 at 7:02 PM
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 03, 2009 3:14 pm) With the variety of locations and vehicles involved it seems somewhat farfetched that no one at any accident site has been able to pinpoint any malfunction other than the AWMs or possibly driver error. There may be something else beside driver error or malplaced AWMs but if there is it's certainly hidden itself in the bushes very well. 'Rebellion?' Where? |
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Nov 03, 2009 4:15 pm) Something like sweeps week or Charlie had this big story in the works but had his thunder stolen by the Toyota press release? 
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 03, 2009 3:14 pm) The U.S. Department of Transportation released a statement Tuesday afternoon saying the matter "is not closed." The full statement read: "Toyota has announced a safety recall involving 3.8 million vehicles in which the accelerator pedal may become stuck at high vehicle speeds due to interference by the driver's side floor mat, which is obviously a very dangerous situation. Toyota has written to vehicle owners stating that it has decided that a safety defect exists in their vehicles and asking owners to remove all floor mats while the company is developing a remedy. We believe consumers should follow Toyota's recommendation to address the most immediate safety risk. However, removal of the mats is simply an interim measure, not a remedy of the underlying defect in the vehicles. NHTSA is discussing with Toyota what the appropriate vehicle remedy or remedies will be. This matter is not closed until Toyota has effectively addressed the vehicle defect by providing a suitable remedy." |
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One only needs to read the public comments after the article to find several credible comments re unexpected acceleration. They don't all sound like idiots or publicity seekers by the verbage they're using. They are credible. But a universal theme seems to be that they were brushed off--like a chunk of engine sludge, I mean engine gel.
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 03, 2009 3:14 pm)  4 lives were lost.Yes,very tragic. But negligence and stupidity was a big part here,both by the dealer and the driver. Tending to blame everyone except self is becoming the fashion nowadays. Doesn`t matter if the vehicle involved was a Toyota,Honda,Ford,Chevy,Dodge-- the same rule applies. It was an unfortunate accident due to negligence,stupidity and panic with loss of clear thinking..Sad,very sad but true.
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Nov 03, 2009 2:25 pm) I stand corrected. Some of the news reports made it sound like there was a pivot underneath the pedal which could pull the pedal downward. I can't help but wonder whether or when the American appetite for a good scandal will overpower the American appetite for Toyota's cars.
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Replying to: deltheking (Nov 03, 2009 4:34 pm) So, if you're GM what do you do? "Hi, this is Onstar. I see you're going 120 mph in a 45 zone. Shall I turn off your engine for you?" |
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Replying to: deltheking (Nov 03, 2009 4:34 pm) It is all the Toyota owners that were blown off by Toyota over the last 6 years when they claimed their cars unexpectedly accelerated. It was four lives in the most recent runaway wreck. There are at least 5 fatal accidents and 100s of non fatal accidents. NHTSA has cleared Toyota I presume. NO, they have not. Read the latest news report that Steve just posted. The Feds expect Toyota to come up with remedies not just rhetoric. At the very least they need to develop an over ride when the brakes are applied with WOT. That is something VW, Audi, BMW and MB have had for close to a decade.
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Nov 03, 2009 4:31 pm) Facts are the only aribitor. Everything else is opinion ( yours/mine ) or hearsay ( the commentors ). Without real facts and data nothing can be said definitively.
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