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Toyota in decline in 2009?

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Re: rebellion? or picking on #1? [steve_] by corvette
Nov 03, 2009 (3:54 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 03, 2009 3:14 pm)

That kind of contradicts Toyota's official statement yesterday to the effect that NHTSA had cleared them of all responsibility other than the floormats.
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Re: rebellion? or picking on #1? [steve_] by imidazol97
Nov 03, 2009 (4:15 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 03, 2009 3:14 pm)

"Toyota officials refused to talk with ABC News about the incidents, but posted a statement from executive Bob Daly on its website last night that said: "Some news reports suggest there may be other causes of unintended acceleration, speculating about electronic engine control systems, braking performance or electro-magnetic interference among other theories. There is no evidence to support these theories.""
 
quote from http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/RunawayToyotas/sudden-acceleration-toyota-cars-own- ers-rebel-accidents/story?id=8980479
 
Toyota doesn't want to admit there may once again be something real in the problems they're experiencing.
 
Finally a major news network is going to be investgative... on something.
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Re: rebellion? or picking on #1? [steve_] by kdhspyder
Nov 03, 2009 (4:27 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 03, 2009 3:14 pm)

ABC seems to be utilizing more than a little hyperbole. In what form did this 'rebellion' take place? Did 100 or 200 owners convene in Denver of Seattle or Torrance and stage a protest?
 
With the variety of locations and vehicles involved it seems somewhat farfetched that no one at any accident site has been able to pinpoint any malfunction other than the AWMs or possibly driver error.
 
There may be something else beside driver error or malplaced AWMs but if there is it's certainly hidden itself in the bushes very well. 'Rebellion?' Where?
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Re: rebellion? or picking on #1? [imidazol97] by steve_ HOST
Nov 03, 2009 (4:28 pm)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Nov 03, 2009 4:15 pm)

on something
 
Something like sweeps week or Charlie had this big story in the works but had his thunder stolen by the Toyota press release?
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Re: rebellion? or picking on #1? [steve_] by gagrice
Nov 03, 2009 (4:31 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 03, 2009 3:14 pm)

I think Toyota kind of jumped the gun hoping to get this whole mess behind them. NHTSA says it is not done with Toyota on runaway acceleration.
 
The U.S. Department of Transportation released a statement Tuesday afternoon saying the matter "is not closed."
 
The full statement read: "Toyota has announced a safety recall involving 3.8 million vehicles in which the accelerator pedal may become stuck at high vehicle speeds due to interference by the driver's side floor mat, which is obviously a very dangerous situation. Toyota has written to vehicle owners stating that it has decided that a safety defect exists in their vehicles and asking owners to remove all floor mats while the company is developing a remedy. We believe consumers should follow Toyota's recommendation to address the most immediate safety risk. However, removal of the mats is simply an interim measure, not a remedy of the underlying defect in the vehicles. NHTSA is discussing with Toyota what the appropriate vehicle remedy or remedies will be. This matter is not closed until Toyota has effectively addressed the vehicle defect by providing a suitable remedy."
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One only needs by imidazol97
Nov 03, 2009 (4:31 pm)
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One only needs to read the public comments after the article to find several credible comments re unexpected acceleration. They don't all sound like idiots or publicity seekers by the verbage they're using. They are credible. But a universal theme seems to be that they were brushed off--like a chunk of engine sludge, I mean engine gel.
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Re: rebellion? or picking on #1? [steve_] by deltheking
Nov 03, 2009 (4:34 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 03, 2009 3:14 pm)

Folks trying to bash the # 1 company. Purely picking on #1. Goes with the territory I guess. Well the sales figures of Toyota will show how damaging these incidents are . NHTSA has cleared Toyota I presume. So why all this hullaboo? In the same link there is a video by CR which shows how to stop the car in an emergency.
 
4 lives were lost.Yes,very tragic. But negligence and stupidity was a big part here,both by the dealer and the driver. Tending to blame everyone except self is becoming the fashion nowadays.
 Doesn`t matter if the vehicle involved was a Toyota,Honda,Ford,Chevy,Dodge-- the same rule applies. It was an unfortunate accident due to negligence,stupidity and panic with loss of clear thinking..Sad,very sad but true.
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Re: all clear, start your engines [kdhspyder] by corvette
Nov 03, 2009 (4:35 pm)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Nov 03, 2009 2:25 pm)

The issue with the design of the pedal is not if something is loose and rolling around inside it's that if too many things are stacked too high the pedal is fixed to the armature.
 
I stand corrected. Some of the news reports made it sound like there was a pivot underneath the pedal which could pull the pedal downward.
 
I can't help but wonder whether or when the American appetite for a good scandal will overpower the American appetite for Toyota's cars.
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Re: rebellion? or picking on #1? [deltheking] by steve_ HOST
Nov 03, 2009 (4:38 pm)
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Replying to: deltheking (Nov 03, 2009 4:34 pm)

Purely picking on #1
 
So, if you're GM what do you do?
 
"Hi, this is Onstar. I see you're going 120 mph in a 45 zone. Shall I turn off your engine for you?"

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