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3864 messages, Last post on Dec 09, 2009 at 11:15 AM
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Replying to: stickguy (Nov 03, 2009 1:02 pm) If anyone here believes state trooper who likely has been in many high speed chases or driven at high speeds couldn't try for neutral no matter what obstacle the shift pattern was or didn't try to push the start button or didn't try to brake, they are assuming something not in evidence. Unless he was trying to kill himself and had gone beserk? In that case why didn't he just aim the car for the first overpass support or down the first ramp?
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Nov 03, 2009 1:35 pm) And I have previously posted here that unless he just COMPLETELY panicked, it could NOT have been JUST the floormat which was the problem. Thinking clearly, he could have easily said, "Honey, take the wheel, I'm crawling down onto the floor and using both hands to dislodge the floormat from the accelerator !!" Thinking clearly, there is little doubt that a grown man, using both hands, could have accomplished that task fairly easily. I can't imagine that it would have been impossible. This whole incident is fishier than a grizzly's mouth during salmon season. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 03, 2009 5:22 am) This IMO is the smartest, simplest and most effective solution to these U-IA issues. There's really no need for the GO pedal to be giving the throttle any inputs if the operator is applying the brakes. |
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Replying to: corvette (Nov 03, 2009 5:55 am)
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Replying to: doggrandma (Nov 03, 2009 10:50 am) The owners of the Gen 2 and Gen 3 Prius' are checking what happens right now as a result of the tragedy. It appears that since the hybrids including the TCH and HH are all electronic the simplest way to disengage the wheels from the power input is to put the vehicle into PARK. This doesn't damage anything because everything is electronic. Actually the vehicles go into NEUTRAL. Hitting the PARK button or shifting into PARK is the solution for the hybrids. For the non-hybrids with the ON/OFF button, shifting to NEUTRAL seems to be the most effective solution ( still to be verified ). UNtil the black box is investigated in the SD tragedy it's not known whether the driver tried to do this or not. |
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Replying to: stickguy (Nov 03, 2009 1:02 pm) Hit the brake and the clutch and shift into Neutral. |
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I find it hard to believe the black box from the accident hasn't been analyzed already. I wonder if the sheriff's office is being very careful to maintain control of the box and the testing and keep the box in their hands rather than in Toyota's. That might explain why no information is coming out. If Toyota had it and the evidence were exculpatory or could be spun thusly, we would have heard it by now.
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Owners of Toyota Cars in Rebellion Over Series of Accidents Caused by Sudden Acceleration (ABC News) "Refusing to accept the explanation of Toyota and the federal government, hundreds of Toyota owners are in rebellion after a series of accidents caused by what they call "runaway cars." TheU.S. Department of Transportation released a statement Tuesday afternoon saying the matter "is not closed." |
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 03, 2009 3:14 pm) |
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 03, 2009 3:14 pm) quote from http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/RunawayToyotas/sudden-acceleration-toyota-cars-own- ers-rebel-accidents/story?id=8980479 Toyota doesn't want to admit there may once again be something real in the problems they're experiencing. Finally a major news network is going to be investgative... on something.
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