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3595 messages, Last post on Nov 27, 2009 at 11:35 AM
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| I don't know... seems that Toyota has always had some issues as have all manufacturers... but is this now a crack in reliability that is taking more scrutinity given that there are others (not just Honda) creeping up in the reliability department? | |
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Replying to: larsb (Nov 03, 2009 8:46 am) You say this would be your first option. Are you saying that putting the car into neutral might not work? What would be your "plan B"?
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Replying to: doggrandma (Nov 03, 2009 10:50 am) Don't know how true or untrue that assertion might be. But if true, that is a truly scary scenario. Option "B" would be to hold down the power button for three seconds to turn the car off, then deal with the aftermath of that decision after the car is actually slowing down. |
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then plan A should be to tug the mat (or other obstruction) away from the gas pedal! plan B is stick it in neutral. Actually, if more people drove stick shifts (shameless plug here), just pushing in the clutch will do the trick.
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Replying to: stickguy (Nov 03, 2009 1:02 pm) If anyone here believes state trooper who likely has been in many high speed chases or driven at high speeds couldn't try for neutral no matter what obstacle the shift pattern was or didn't try to push the start button or didn't try to brake, they are assuming something not in evidence. Unless he was trying to kill himself and had gone beserk? In that case why didn't he just aim the car for the first overpass support or down the first ramp?
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Nov 03, 2009 1:35 pm) And I have previously posted here that unless he just COMPLETELY panicked, it could NOT have been JUST the floormat which was the problem. Thinking clearly, he could have easily said, "Honey, take the wheel, I'm crawling down onto the floor and using both hands to dislodge the floormat from the accelerator !!" Thinking clearly, there is little doubt that a grown man, using both hands, could have accomplished that task fairly easily. I can't imagine that it would have been impossible. This whole incident is fishier than a grizzly's mouth during salmon season. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 03, 2009 5:22 am) This IMO is the smartest, simplest and most effective solution to these U-IA issues. There's really no need for the GO pedal to be giving the throttle any inputs if the operator is applying the brakes. |
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Replying to: corvette (Nov 03, 2009 5:55 am)
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Replying to: doggrandma (Nov 03, 2009 10:50 am) The owners of the Gen 2 and Gen 3 Prius' are checking what happens right now as a result of the tragedy. It appears that since the hybrids including the TCH and HH are all electronic the simplest way to disengage the wheels from the power input is to put the vehicle into PARK. This doesn't damage anything because everything is electronic. Actually the vehicles go into NEUTRAL. Hitting the PARK button or shifting into PARK is the solution for the hybrids. For the non-hybrids with the ON/OFF button, shifting to NEUTRAL seems to be the most effective solution ( still to be verified ). UNtil the black box is investigated in the SD tragedy it's not known whether the driver tried to do this or not. |
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Replying to: stickguy (Nov 03, 2009 1:02 pm) Hit the brake and the clutch and shift into Neutral. |
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