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Toyota in decline in 2009?

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Re: I have an old Consumer Guide... [fintail] by kdhspyder
Jul 13, 2009 (1:49 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Jul 13, 2009 1:13 pm)

That seems to be intentional and it annoys auto enthusiasts. "Why should this dull appliance be so successful in sales? I don't get it.' That's part of the D3 syndrome.
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Wish Toyota sells Estima Hybrid by ck90211
Jul 13, 2009 (4:40 pm)
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I do have a Previa All Trac S/C (supercharged). Not the fastest or best mileage, but handles great (mid-engine is the way to go) comparing to any current SUV's and minivans. At 150K miles it is still young compare to most Previa's I see in SoCal, but the fading/peeling maroon paint makes it look much older than it is.
 
Great car, lousy paint job.
 
Been hoping to go hybrid route (got a Prius) but darn Toyota just doesn't want to bring a hybrid van into the US.
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Re: I have an old Consumer Guide... [andre1969] by fintail
Jul 13, 2009 (6:34 pm)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Jul 13, 2009 9:41 am)

I just checked my 1981 CG - the highest scoring cars were those MBs. Several cars scored in the 90s, including big GM cars, big Fomocos, and the R-body NYer even scored 90. Toyota products scored in the 80s and 90s...strangely, no Hondas tested.
 
Worst scoring car was the Corvette, at 63...even the TR8 managed 66. Some scores are now questionable as the cars tested became known as problem children...Audi 4000 at 95 and Saab Turbo at 89 seem funny now.
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Re: Wish Toyota sells Estima Hybrid [ck90211] by kdhspyder
Jul 13, 2009 (7:19 pm)
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Replying to: ck90211 (Jul 13, 2009 4:40 pm)

I have a feeling that next year when they redo the Sienna that we'll see a hybrid version, I'm hoping. If they do add a hybrid option then I hope it's the 2.5L+HSD instead of the 3.3L+HSD that's in the THH.
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Re: I have an old Consumer Guide... [kdhspyder] by nippononly
Jul 13, 2009 (10:49 pm)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jul 13, 2009 1:49 pm)

Nah, even enthusiasts know that most consumers just want dull reliable appliances to drive around in. But I WAS reflecting the other day that it's a real joke that Toyota still has any presence in racing.
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Re: I have an old Consumer Guide... [kdhspyder] by fintail
Jul 14, 2009 (7:39 am)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jul 13, 2009 1:49 pm)

Just like vanilla is the most popular flavor...but that doesn't mean everyone has to prefer it.
 
Luckily, the economy as of yet gives us some choices.
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Re: I have an old Consumer Guide... [fintail] by kdhspyder
Jul 14, 2009 (8:31 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Jul 14, 2009 7:39 am)

Yes. The money that the vanilla ice cream eaters have is just as useful as the money from the enthusiast crowd.
 
The key difference is that there is much much more money to be made from the vanilla ice cream buyers. In the end this is the only metric that counts. It's the only metric because business is only about cold, heartless profits and cash.
 
As you say it's good that this is such a diverse market with diverse tastes and diverse options where there's room for all kinds of enthusiasts and huge numbers of appliance buyers.
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Re: I have an old Consumer Guide... [fintail] by andre1969
Jul 14, 2009 (9:05 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Jul 14, 2009 7:39 am)

Just like vanilla is the most popular flavor...but that doesn't mean everyone has to prefer it.
 
Just make sure it's Breyer's or similar quality, with the little vanilla bean specs in it...and not that nasty vanilla "Ice milk" by Lucerne that my Grandmother used to buy in the 70's!
 
That's probably why Toyota does so well...they know how to do "vanilla". The domestics aren't so hot at it.
 
I guess if forced to choose between the three, my first choice would be a tossup between an Accord and Altima, with the Camry being a distant third. Not that I think the Camry is a bad car...it just does nothing for me. Whereas I guess the other two are more like "Cherry vanilla" versus "Plain vanillla"
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Re: I have an old Consumer Guide... [andre1969] by fintail
Jul 14, 2009 (9:53 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Jul 14, 2009 9:05 am)

Vanilla ice milk - that's the current model Impala.
 
My mother recently bought a nice used Camry, and it is as vanilla as can be - it is even white. The most exciting part about the car is the moonroof. But, it's a good Breyers vanilla I suppose. An Altima or Accord would be a nice vanilla bean flavor
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Re: I have an old Consumer Guide... [kdhspyder] by fintail
Jul 14, 2009 (9:54 am)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jul 14, 2009 8:31 am)

Diverse enough that those who offer other flavors can still make a profit too - like the Germans and others. Although the market seems a lot less diverse than in the past, maybe it isnt so bad. It could be a lot worse.

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