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Toyota in decline in 2009?

3854 messages, Last post on Dec 08, 2009 at 1:02 PM

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#2720 of 3854 Re: I guess [andre1969] by lemko Jul 07, 2009 (7:14 am)
Replying to: andre1969 (Jul 06, 2009 12:18 pm) Shoot, I was about to say the same thing! I remember getting a low-beam sealed-beam unit for my 1968 Buick Special Deluxe for only $3.99 at K-Mart!
#2721 of 3854 Re: I guess [nwng] by lemko Jul 07, 2009 (7:17 am)
Replying to: nwng (Jul 06, 2009 12:52 pm) Heck, I remember changing a low-beam bulb on my 1988 Buick Park Avenue last year. Apparently, those bulbs last a L-O-N-G time. The bulb I replaced was the original as it was date stamped FEB 88!
#2722 of 3854 Re: I guess [gagrice] by lemko Jul 07, 2009 (7:20 am)
Replying to: gagrice (Jul 06, 2009 3:04 pm) Get one of those tactical lights like the ones you would mount on a rifle. Heck, remember when you could buy spotlights to mount on the A-pillars? I haven't seen any on cars outside of police cruisers or cars from the 1950s back.
#2723 of 3854 Re: Toyota Arrogance [yup8] by lemko Jul 07, 2009 (7:26 am)
Replying to: yup8 (Jul 06, 2009 8:57 pm) Oh, man! I remember when my girlfriend and I were foolish enough to visit a Toyota dealer just to see what the hype about the Camry was all about. The car was alright, but the dealership experience was akin to swimming in a shark tank while wearing a bloody meat suit. They pulled the bit where they refused to give her the key to her car back and they deliberately tried to separate us so I couldn't help her. There were like five of their salesmen surrounding her throwing all kinds of confusing terms at her while trying to force me in a corner by a 4Runner. Heck, maybe they were going to try to sell me the SUV while they conned her into a Camry? If we EVER thought of buying a Toyota, we sure as heck won't after this experience. Replies to this message: bumpy (Jul 07, 2009 8:46 am) nippononly (Jul 07, 2009 9:17 am) fezo (Jul 07, 2009 10:20 am) and 4 more... bumpy (Jul 07, 2009 10:50 am) and 1 more...
#2724 of 3854 Re: I guess [nippononly] by fintail Jul 07, 2009 (7:50 am)
Replying to: nippononly (Jul 06, 2009 9:13 pm) Just wait a mere 20 years or so and there will be a lot of LEDs out there. So, don't hold your breath....for that or HIDs to become illegal. Too many of them out there. I wonder if any fuddy-duddys complained likewise when headlights made the switch from the 3-candlepower sealed beams to halogens? I have a lot more annoyance by dopes, usually in small SUVs like RAV4s and Highlanders before they became obese (gotta remain on thread topic) who drive with their foglights on each time they drive. I live in a city, so I don't encounter high beams very often.
#2725 of 3854 Re: Toyota Arrogance [lemko] by bumpy Jul 07, 2009 (8:46 am)
Replying to: lemko (Jul 07, 2009 7:26 am) How do car dealers get your keys in the first place? I've never given any keys to anyone at a dealership and no one has ever asked for them. Replies to this message: nippononly (Jul 07, 2009 9:17 am) fezo (Jul 07, 2009 10:20 am) kdhspyder (Jul 07, 2009 11:22 am) and 1 more... andre1969 (Jul 07, 2009 1:29 pm) and 1 more... bumpy (Jul 07, 2009 10:50 am) anythngbutgm (Jul 08, 2009 4:22 am)
#2726 of 3854 Re: Toyota Arrogance [bumpy] by nippononly Jul 07, 2009 (9:17 am)
Replying to: bumpy (Jul 07, 2009 8:46 am) It's when you intend to trade in the car you arrive in: they ask for your keys to check the car out and give it a trade value. Then if the deal sours, sometimes the keys get "lost", at bad dealerships. Replies to this message: fezo (Jul 07, 2009 10:20 am) kdhspyder (Jul 07, 2009 11:22 am) fezo (Jul 07, 2009 11:42 am) andre1969 (Jul 07, 2009 1:29 pm) fezo (Jul 07, 2009 1:51 pm) bumpy (Jul 07, 2009 10:50 am) anythngbutgm (Jul 08, 2009 4:22 am)
#2727 of 3854 Re: Toyota Arrogance [nippononly] by fezo Jul 07, 2009 (10:20 am)
Replying to: nippononly (Jul 07, 2009 9:17 am) I had that pulled on me once maybe 20 years ago. Would have to be that because my 20 year old daughter was an infant at the time. One "Either give me my keys or let me call the police and straighten it out," got the keys back. Funny, though. This was before cell phones. How would I have called them? Replies to this message: kdhspyder (Jul 07, 2009 11:22 am) fezo (Jul 07, 2009 11:42 am) andre1969 (Jul 07, 2009 1:29 pm) fezo (Jul 07, 2009 1:51 pm)
#2728 of 3854 Re: Toyota Arrogance [nippononly] by bumpy Jul 07, 2009 (10:50 am)
Replying to: nippononly (Jul 07, 2009 9:17 am) Ha, that's why you give them the valet key. Tell them you'll trade in the regular keys for a set of floormats. Replies to this message: anythngbutgm (Jul 08, 2009 4:22 am)
#2729 of 3854 Re: Toyota Arrogance [fezo] by kdhspyder Jul 07, 2009 (11:22 am)
Replying to: fezo (Jul 07, 2009 10:20 am) Had it happen at a Chrysler Jeep store also before I started buying Toyotas. Old time stuff. Come to a modern store. However something else was mentioned above that I think bears discussion. Flexibility. Over the last 10 years the buying public has been wooed and tempted and drawn-in by SALE, SALE, SALE....name your price. I don't know this for certain buy I am a betting man and I would be willing to wager that when the smoke clears from the BK proceedings that buyers will find themselves somewhat shocked by the attitutes from the vehicle makers and dealers. The reason for the give-away mentality was that volume had to supercede everything. The makers had to have monstrous volumes to cover their unused Fixed Costs and dealers had to dump all the excess inventories that were being shoved down their throats by the D3 and to a lesser extent Toyota. Now what if the only metric will be profit and minimal inventory. Dealer A: 'Here's the MSRP! There are no incentives from the manufacturer.' Dealer B: 'Here's the MSRP! There are no incentives from the manufacturer.' Dealer C: 'Here's the MSRP! There are no incentives from the manufacturer.' I would be willing to wager that vehicle makers will cut way back on both incentives and production now that they have little or no Fixed Costs to cover. Replies to this message: fezo (Jul 07, 2009 11:42 am)

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