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#2711 of 3849 Re: I guess [nippononly] by kdhspyder Jul 06, 2009 (3:11 pm)
Replying to: nippononly (Jul 06, 2009 12:08 pm) Knock on wood. At 120,000 miles nothing to report here and I'm way way out of warranty. My buddy CARBOT who also posts here just turned in his 2004 for a 2010. He had 246,000 miles on his with nothing to report. Actually I haven't heard anybody come back and complain to me personally since they began to arrive in 2003.   It's certainly an issue but I don't think it's very common if one goes by the level of complaints on PC for example. I'd be pizzed though at a $1500 bill for new lights. It would make me look at the body shop for totalled vehicles with the lights still intact. I'd make an offer to the insurance company if I could.
#2712 of 3849 Re: oh, and here's an ironic twist [steve_] by kdhspyder Jul 06, 2009 (3:15 pm)
Replying to: steve_ (Jul 06, 2009 1:18 pm) Congress wrote the bill about 'NA Content' at the behest of the UAW ( and its sister organization the CAW ). At the time there were few if any Mexican plants and they were non-unionized anyway.... Replies to this message: steve_ (Jul 06, 2009 6:10 pm)
#2713 of 3849 Re: I guess [gagrice] by fintail Jul 06, 2009 (3:28 pm)
Replying to: gagrice (Jul 06, 2009 3:04 pm) Maybe some people are more sensitive to that light than others. It can't be any more of an issue than trucks and SUVs with headlights that aim at eye level to drivers in normal cars, as the larger vehicles don't seem to be required to make any adaptations to their height. It's also a technology that did not originate in the US - and I don't recall it being an issue in Europe, where it was adopted first. I find the fake HIDs to be more annoying, as they are often aimed wrong.   I think the stolen light issue was on ca. 2000 Maximas, one of the first midlevel cars to have HID as a common option. Replies to this message: nippononly (Jul 06, 2009 9:13 pm) fintail (Jul 07, 2009 7:50 am) highmiler650 (Jul 07, 2009 11:24 am)
#2714 of 3849 Re: oh, and here's an ironic twist [kdhspyder] by steve_ HOST Jul 06, 2009 (6:10 pm)
Replying to: kdhspyder (Jul 06, 2009 3:15 pm) Congress wrote the bill about 'NA Content' at the behest of the UAW   And now the cars with the highest "American" content are "foreign." The UAW probably didn't expect that.   Haven't heard much about the Nissan Maxima: Stolen Headlights!! issue lately. Maybe the retrofit kits worked.
#2715 of 3849 Toyota Arrogance by yup8 Jul 06, 2009 (8:57 pm)
Really disappointed here today. I own 2 Toyotas and went today expecting to buy a new Toyota....until I was actually shocked at the attitude of the dealer. Very cocky. Seems they have gotten too big for their britches and they acted like they were doing me a favor by selling me one of their cars. I do NOT like Chryslers or GMs but the Toyota dealer really acted as if they are the only act in town now. To make matters worse, they even pulled the act of the manager holding on to my key while the salesman tried to convince me that they were giving me a great deal (very little under MSRP). Shameful. Replies to this message: nippononly (Jul 06, 2009 9:05 pm) mcdawgg (Jul 06, 2009 9:30 pm) anythngbutgm (Jul 07, 2009 4:37 am) lemko (Jul 07, 2009 7:26 am) bumpy (Jul 07, 2009 8:46 am) nippononly (Jul 07, 2009 9:17 am) and 7 more... larsb (Jul 08, 2009 7:28 am)
#2716 of 3849 Re: Toyota Arrogance [yup8] by nippononly Jul 06, 2009 (9:05 pm)
Replying to: yup8 (Jul 06, 2009 8:57 pm) Nissan and Ford both offer very strong competition to Toyota, without the attitude. Very much worth giving a little of your time, IMO.
#2717 of 3849 Re: I guess [fintail] by nippononly Jul 06, 2009 (9:13 pm)
Replying to: fintail (Jul 06, 2009 3:28 pm) Really, it is simply that there too many morons in America for HIDs to be responsibly sold. Not to mention too many folks that don't properly maintain their cars. Between the ones that are mis-aimed and all the idiots that just leave their high beams up rather than dim them for oncoming traffic (which is really crippling to your vision when the guy with the brights has HIDs), they should absolutely be made illegal. Don't even get me started on the ignoramuses that are so clueless they aren't even AWARE they have their high beams up.   You should check out how it is when the guy right behind you in your Mercedes sedan is in an Escalade with HIDs. ESPECIALLY if he has failed to lower his high beams. Then make your decision.   I can't wait for LEDs to completely replace these things.   *rant over* Thank you for your indulgence. Needless to say, I'm not crying too many tears for the Prius customers with the HID problem, but word is they are trying to get class action status, so there must be more than just a few of them. Replies to this message: fintail (Jul 07, 2009 7:50 am) highmiler650 (Jul 07, 2009 11:24 am)
#2718 of 3849 Re: Toyota Arrogance [yup8] by mcdawgg Jul 06, 2009 (9:30 pm)
Replying to: yup8 (Jul 06, 2009 8:57 pm) I'd try a different Toyota dealer - I've had bad ones, like you describe, so I just go to the good ones!
#2719 of 3849 Re: Toyota Arrogance [yup8] by anythngbutgm Jul 07, 2009 (4:37 am)
Replying to: yup8 (Jul 06, 2009 8:57 pm) Yeah, definitely try a different dealer like Mcdawgg suggested. There are enough of them around that you could weed out the bad ones. But yeah, I've been there myself. A big reason why I've never owned a Toyota product yet.
#2720 of 3849 Re: I guess [andre1969] by lemko Jul 07, 2009 (7:14 am)
Replying to: andre1969 (Jul 06, 2009 12:18 pm) Shoot, I was about to say the same thing! I remember getting a low-beam sealed-beam unit for my 1968 Buick Special Deluxe for only $3.99 at K-Mart!

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