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Toyota in decline in 2009?

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Re: I guess [nippononly] by nwng
Jul 06, 2009 (12:52 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Jul 06, 2009 12:08 pm)

I guess HID in a non-lux auto is not a good idea. I believe LED lights such as the ones in the newer audis that looks like eyebrows last a very long time. In the mean time, I'll stick with $34 (a pair) of bulbs at autozone every 5-6 years for my under $25k vehicles.
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Re: oh, and here's an ironic twist [nippononly] by steve_ HOST
Jul 06, 2009 (1:18 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Jul 06, 2009 12:13 pm)

How come Canada gets a free ride but Mexican factories making auto parts get left out? It shouldn't matter if the part comes from Toluca or Toronto if they are counting "American" parts.
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Re: I guess [nwng] by fintail
Jul 06, 2009 (1:29 pm)
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Replying to: nwng (Jul 06, 2009 12:52 pm)

LED will be the way of the future...eventually HID will just be a way to tell when a car was made, like with tailfins or wraparound windows. The eyebrow look could become dated, though.
 
I've never experienced the hate caused by HIDs, myself.
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Re: I guess [fintail] by gagrice
Jul 06, 2009 (3:04 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Jul 06, 2009 1:29 pm)

I've never experienced the hate caused by HIDs, myself.
 
They are a menace to oncoming drivers. Some are worse than others. I sometimes wish I had a couple million candlepower spot lights mounted on my car to give those blue lighted devils a taste of their own medicine.
 
When they first came out there were cases of them being stolen out of Lexus and the insurance refusing to cover the cost. I guess it was a simple chore to get them out.
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Re: I guess [nippononly] by kdhspyder
Jul 06, 2009 (3:11 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Jul 06, 2009 12:08 pm)

Knock on wood. At 120,000 miles nothing to report here and I'm way way out of warranty. My buddy CARBOT who also posts here just turned in his 2004 for a 2010. He had 246,000 miles on his with nothing to report. Actually I haven't heard anybody come back and complain to me personally since they began to arrive in 2003.
 
It's certainly an issue but I don't think it's very common if one goes by the level of complaints on PC for example. I'd be pizzed though at a $1500 bill for new lights. It would make me look at the body shop for totalled vehicles with the lights still intact. I'd make an offer to the insurance company if I could.
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Re: oh, and here's an ironic twist [steve_] by kdhspyder
Jul 06, 2009 (3:15 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jul 06, 2009 1:18 pm)

Congress wrote the bill about 'NA Content' at the behest of the UAW ( and its sister organization the CAW ). At the time there were few if any Mexican plants and they were non-unionized anyway....
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Re: I guess [gagrice] by fintail
Jul 06, 2009 (3:28 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 06, 2009 3:04 pm)

Maybe some people are more sensitive to that light than others. It can't be any more of an issue than trucks and SUVs with headlights that aim at eye level to drivers in normal cars, as the larger vehicles don't seem to be required to make any adaptations to their height. It's also a technology that did not originate in the US - and I don't recall it being an issue in Europe, where it was adopted first. I find the fake HIDs to be more annoying, as they are often aimed wrong.
 
I think the stolen light issue was on ca. 2000 Maximas, one of the first midlevel cars to have HID as a common option.
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Re: oh, and here's an ironic twist [kdhspyder] by steve_ HOST
Jul 06, 2009 (6:10 pm)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jul 06, 2009 3:15 pm)

Congress wrote the bill about 'NA Content' at the behest of the UAW
 
And now the cars with the highest "American" content are "foreign." The UAW probably didn't expect that.
 
Haven't heard much about the Nissan Maxima: Stolen Headlights!! issue lately. Maybe the retrofit kits worked.
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Toyota Arrogance by yup8
Jul 06, 2009 (8:57 pm)
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Really disappointed here today. I own 2 Toyotas and went today expecting to buy a new Toyota....until I was actually shocked at the attitude of the dealer. Very cocky. Seems they have gotten too big for their britches and they acted like they were doing me a favor by selling me one of their cars. I do NOT like Chryslers or GMs but the Toyota dealer really acted as if they are the only act in town now. To make matters worse, they even pulled the act of the manager holding on to my key while the salesman tried to convince me that they were giving me a great deal (very little under MSRP). Shameful.
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Re: Toyota Arrogance [yup8] by nippononly
Jul 06, 2009 (9:05 pm)
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Replying to: yup8 (Jul 06, 2009 8:57 pm)

Nissan and Ford both offer very strong competition to Toyota, without the attitude. Very much worth giving a little of your time, IMO.

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