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Toyota in decline in 2009?

3618 messages, Last post on Nov 28, 2009 at 7:57 PM

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#2705 of 3618 Re: I guess [nippononly] by andre1969 Jul 06, 2009 (12:18 pm)
Replying to: nippononly (Jul 06, 2009 12:08 pm) .......Owners are upset that their warranties don't cover the HID bulbs, which can cost between $300 and $1,800 -- with labor -- to replace all or part of the light system Good Lord that's a lot of money for a light bulb! Kinda brings me back down to earth though, to where I feel kinda bad paying $14.99 for a low-beam bulb for the Intrepid when the same thing for a 1979 New Yorker is about $6.99! Replies to this message: nippononly (Jul 06, 2009 12:44 pm) lemko (Jul 07, 2009 7:14 am)
#2706 of 3618 Re: I guess [andre1969] by nippononly Jul 06, 2009 (12:44 pm)
Replying to: andre1969 (Jul 06, 2009 12:18 pm) Yeah, sealed beam vs halogen bulb, right? I guess these HIDs are run by computer and sometimes the computer burns out along with the bulb. Ridiculous. There was a time when it was only my respect for the property of others that kept me from just bringing a crowbar along wherever I went and knocking these suckers out. HIDs are a menace, and an extremely expensive one it would seem. Apparently Toyota has agreed in at least one case to pay for the parts ($1350)but not the labor ($450). If that's the case and the car in question was still under warranty, I would be VERY interested to know the rationale for refusing to pay for the labor.
#2707 of 3618 Re: I guess [nippononly] by nwng Jul 06, 2009 (12:52 pm)
Replying to: nippononly (Jul 06, 2009 12:08 pm) I guess HID in a non-lux auto is not a good idea. I believe LED lights such as the ones in the newer audis that looks like eyebrows last a very long time. In the mean time, I'll stick with $34 (a pair) of bulbs at autozone every 5-6 years for my under $25k vehicles. Replies to this message: fintail (Jul 06, 2009 1:29 pm) gagrice (Jul 06, 2009 3:04 pm) fintail (Jul 06, 2009 3:28 pm) and 3 more... lemko (Jul 07, 2009 7:20 am) lemko (Jul 07, 2009 7:17 am)
#2708 of 3618 Re: oh, and here's an ironic twist [nippononly] by steve_ HOST Jul 06, 2009 (1:18 pm)
Replying to: nippononly (Jul 06, 2009 12:13 pm) How come Canada gets a free ride but Mexican factories making auto parts get left out? It shouldn't matter if the part comes from Toluca or Toronto if they are counting "American" parts. Replies to this message: kdhspyder (Jul 06, 2009 3:15 pm) steve_ (Jul 06, 2009 6:10 pm)
#2709 of 3618 Re: I guess [nwng] by fintail Jul 06, 2009 (1:29 pm)
Replying to: nwng (Jul 06, 2009 12:52 pm) LED will be the way of the future...eventually HID will just be a way to tell when a car was made, like with tailfins or wraparound windows. The eyebrow look could become dated, though. I've never experienced the hate caused by HIDs, myself. Replies to this message: gagrice (Jul 06, 2009 3:04 pm) fintail (Jul 06, 2009 3:28 pm) nippononly (Jul 06, 2009 9:13 pm) and 2 more... lemko (Jul 07, 2009 7:20 am)
#2710 of 3618 Re: I guess [fintail] by gagrice Jul 06, 2009 (3:04 pm)
Replying to: fintail (Jul 06, 2009 1:29 pm) I've never experienced the hate caused by HIDs, myself. They are a menace to oncoming drivers. Some are worse than others. I sometimes wish I had a couple million candlepower spot lights mounted on my car to give those blue lighted devils a taste of their own medicine. When they first came out there were cases of them being stolen out of Lexus and the insurance refusing to cover the cost. I guess it was a simple chore to get them out. Replies to this message: fintail (Jul 06, 2009 3:28 pm) nippononly (Jul 06, 2009 9:13 pm) fintail (Jul 07, 2009 7:50 am) highmiler650 (Jul 07, 2009 11:24 am) lemko (Jul 07, 2009 7:20 am)
#2711 of 3618 Re: I guess [nippononly] by kdhspyder Jul 06, 2009 (3:11 pm)
Replying to: nippononly (Jul 06, 2009 12:08 pm) Knock on wood. At 120,000 miles nothing to report here and I'm way way out of warranty. My buddy CARBOT who also posts here just turned in his 2004 for a 2010. He had 246,000 miles on his with nothing to report. Actually I haven't heard anybody come back and complain to me personally since they began to arrive in 2003. It's certainly an issue but I don't think it's very common if one goes by the level of complaints on PC for example. I'd be pizzed though at a $1500 bill for new lights. It would make me look at the body shop for totalled vehicles with the lights still intact. I'd make an offer to the insurance company if I could.
#2712 of 3618 Re: oh, and here's an ironic twist [steve_] by kdhspyder Jul 06, 2009 (3:15 pm)
Replying to: steve_ (Jul 06, 2009 1:18 pm) Congress wrote the bill about 'NA Content' at the behest of the UAW ( and its sister organization the CAW ). At the time there were few if any Mexican plants and they were non-unionized anyway.... Replies to this message: steve_ (Jul 06, 2009 6:10 pm)
#2713 of 3618 Re: I guess [gagrice] by fintail Jul 06, 2009 (3:28 pm)
Replying to: gagrice (Jul 06, 2009 3:04 pm) Maybe some people are more sensitive to that light than others. It can't be any more of an issue than trucks and SUVs with headlights that aim at eye level to drivers in normal cars, as the larger vehicles don't seem to be required to make any adaptations to their height. It's also a technology that did not originate in the US - and I don't recall it being an issue in Europe, where it was adopted first. I find the fake HIDs to be more annoying, as they are often aimed wrong. I think the stolen light issue was on ca. 2000 Maximas, one of the first midlevel cars to have HID as a common option. Replies to this message: nippononly (Jul 06, 2009 9:13 pm) fintail (Jul 07, 2009 7:50 am) highmiler650 (Jul 07, 2009 11:24 am)
#2714 of 3618 Re: oh, and here's an ironic twist [kdhspyder] by steve_ HOST Jul 06, 2009 (6:10 pm)
Replying to: kdhspyder (Jul 06, 2009 3:15 pm) Congress wrote the bill about 'NA Content' at the behest of the UAW And now the cars with the highest "American" content are "foreign." The UAW probably didn't expect that. Haven't heard much about the Nissan Maxima: Stolen Headlights!! issue lately. Maybe the retrofit kits worked.

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