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Toyota in decline in 2009?

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oh, and here's an ironic twist by nippononly
Jul 06, 2009 (12:13 pm)
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for all the folks who debate whether a Japanese car built here is "American" or not:
 
Toyota's Camry ranks as most ‘American' car
 
July 6, 2009 - 12:01 am ET
 
The most “American'' car is the Toyota Camry, according to a study by Cars.com.
 
The Camry topped the Ford F-150 pickup to place first in the auto information site's annual American-Made Index. The index, in its fourth year, ranks U.S.-assembled vehicles using a formula that includes the percentage, by cost, of their parts made in the United States and Canada as well as their U.S. sales volume.
 
......Four other vehicles of Japanese origin -- the Honda Odyssey (4th), Toyota Sienna (6th), Toyota Tundra (7th) and Toyota Venza (10th) -- completed the list. The Sienna's 85 percent of parts made in the United States or Canada is the highest of any foreign-brand vehicle.

 
And in case anyone really thought this was an important debate for the majority of consumers:
 
But how much do consumers care about a car's origin? In a recent Cars.com survey, 23 percent of respondents said they wanted to buy only American-made cars, Olsen said, while about 10 percent wanted to buy only foreign-made vehicles.
 
“That means basically two-thirds of the people are saying, ‘I'll buy whatever car is best and most reliable,' ” he said. “It's a big open pool of potential customers.”

 
http://www.autonews.com/article/20090706/ANA05/907049994/1078
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Re: I guess [nippononly] by andre1969
Jul 06, 2009 (12:18 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Jul 06, 2009 12:08 pm)

.......Owners are upset that their warranties don't cover the HID bulbs, which can cost between $300 and $1,800 -- with labor -- to replace all or part of the light system
 
Good Lord that's a lot of money for a light bulb! Kinda brings me back down to earth though, to where I feel kinda bad paying $14.99 for a low-beam bulb for the Intrepid when the same thing for a 1979 New Yorker is about $6.99!
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Re: I guess [andre1969] by nippononly
Jul 06, 2009 (12:44 pm)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Jul 06, 2009 12:18 pm)

Yeah, sealed beam vs halogen bulb, right?
 
I guess these HIDs are run by computer and sometimes the computer burns out along with the bulb.
 
Ridiculous. There was a time when it was only my respect for the property of others that kept me from just bringing a crowbar along wherever I went and knocking these suckers out. HIDs are a menace, and an extremely expensive one it would seem.
 
Apparently Toyota has agreed in at least one case to pay for the parts ($1350)but not the labor ($450). If that's the case and the car in question was still under warranty, I would be VERY interested to know the rationale for refusing to pay for the labor.
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Re: I guess [nippononly] by nwng
Jul 06, 2009 (12:52 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Jul 06, 2009 12:08 pm)

I guess HID in a non-lux auto is not a good idea. I believe LED lights such as the ones in the newer audis that looks like eyebrows last a very long time. In the mean time, I'll stick with $34 (a pair) of bulbs at autozone every 5-6 years for my under $25k vehicles.
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Re: oh, and here's an ironic twist [nippononly] by steve_ HOST
Jul 06, 2009 (1:18 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Jul 06, 2009 12:13 pm)

How come Canada gets a free ride but Mexican factories making auto parts get left out? It shouldn't matter if the part comes from Toluca or Toronto if they are counting "American" parts.
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Re: I guess [nwng] by fintail
Jul 06, 2009 (1:29 pm)
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Replying to: nwng (Jul 06, 2009 12:52 pm)

LED will be the way of the future...eventually HID will just be a way to tell when a car was made, like with tailfins or wraparound windows. The eyebrow look could become dated, though.
 
I've never experienced the hate caused by HIDs, myself.
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Re: I guess [fintail] by gagrice
Jul 06, 2009 (3:04 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Jul 06, 2009 1:29 pm)

I've never experienced the hate caused by HIDs, myself.
 
They are a menace to oncoming drivers. Some are worse than others. I sometimes wish I had a couple million candlepower spot lights mounted on my car to give those blue lighted devils a taste of their own medicine.
 
When they first came out there were cases of them being stolen out of Lexus and the insurance refusing to cover the cost. I guess it was a simple chore to get them out.
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Re: I guess [nippononly] by kdhspyder
Jul 06, 2009 (3:11 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Jul 06, 2009 12:08 pm)

Knock on wood. At 120,000 miles nothing to report here and I'm way way out of warranty. My buddy CARBOT who also posts here just turned in his 2004 for a 2010. He had 246,000 miles on his with nothing to report. Actually I haven't heard anybody come back and complain to me personally since they began to arrive in 2003.
 
It's certainly an issue but I don't think it's very common if one goes by the level of complaints on PC for example. I'd be pizzed though at a $1500 bill for new lights. It would make me look at the body shop for totalled vehicles with the lights still intact. I'd make an offer to the insurance company if I could.
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Re: oh, and here's an ironic twist [steve_] by kdhspyder
Jul 06, 2009 (3:15 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jul 06, 2009 1:18 pm)

Congress wrote the bill about 'NA Content' at the behest of the UAW ( and its sister organization the CAW ). At the time there were few if any Mexican plants and they were non-unionized anyway....
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Re: I guess [gagrice] by fintail
Jul 06, 2009 (3:28 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 06, 2009 3:04 pm)

Maybe some people are more sensitive to that light than others. It can't be any more of an issue than trucks and SUVs with headlights that aim at eye level to drivers in normal cars, as the larger vehicles don't seem to be required to make any adaptations to their height. It's also a technology that did not originate in the US - and I don't recall it being an issue in Europe, where it was adopted first. I find the fake HIDs to be more annoying, as they are often aimed wrong.
 
I think the stolen light issue was on ca. 2000 Maximas, one of the first midlevel cars to have HID as a common option.

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