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#2703 of 3539
I guess by nippononly
Jul 06, 2009 (12:08 pm)
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all those who were concerned about Toyota's supposed huge excess inventories coming into 2009 need no longer worry:
 
Toyota on track for U.S. output boost
 
July 2, 2009 - 12:01 am ET
 
DETROIT (Reuters) -- Toyota Motor Corp. is on track to increase production for the U.S. market by about 65,000 vehicles after truck inventories dipped too low and demand showed signs of stabilizing, executives said on Wednesday
  
.....In response to the expectation of steadier demand, Toyota has increased planned production of light trucks such as the Sienna minivan, RAV4 SUV, Tacoma small pickup and Tundra full-size pickup as well as the Camry and Corolla passenger cars, Carter said.
 
Efforts by Toyota to bring down U.S. dealer inventories succeeded in reducing stock to a 40-day supply overall, Carter said.
 
"That's our target," he said. "But we're a little lighter on the light truck side than we'd like to be."
 
As an example of that shortfall, Carter said Toyota had just a 20-day supply of RAV4 SUVs at the end of June.

 
http://www.autonews.com/article/20090702/ANA05/307029950/1078/ANA08
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Weren't there some saying Toyota would be forced to hold fire sales all through the year, and would still be left with unsold 2008s at year's end?!
 
Not so, it would seem. The 2010s are rolling out as scheduled, and Toyota is adjusting production UP to meet its new estimate of 10 million annual sales for the U.S. market.
 
OTOH, as an example of just one reason why I will never pay for HIDs:
 
Prius headlamp troubles could dim Toyota brand's reputation
 
June 30, 2009 - 1:57 pm ET
 
DETROIT -- Amid the launch of the third-generation Prius hybrid, Toyota Motor Corp. is taking a beating online and in court by owners who charge that some older models of the popular car have faulty headlights that can cost more than $1,000 to replace
 
.......Owners are upset that their warranties don't cover the HID bulbs, which can cost between $300 and $1,800 -- with labor -- to replace all or part of the light system

 
http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090630/ANA08/906309987/1186- &AssignSessionID=273352870341713
 
YIKES, that's a lot of money! It's unclear from the article whether owners are grousing because their HIDs fail soon after the warranty ha expired, or whether Toyota is refusing to replace them while still under warranty. On the one hand, it is a lightbulb, not usually covered under warranty, while on the other hand it is a heck of a lot of money and a vital component of the car which impacts safety when it burns out. The NHTSA is looking into it.
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oh, and here's an ironic twist by nippononly
Jul 06, 2009 (12:13 pm)
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for all the folks who debate whether a Japanese car built here is "American" or not:
 
Toyota's Camry ranks as most ‘American' car
 
July 6, 2009 - 12:01 am ET
 
The most “American'' car is the Toyota Camry, according to a study by Cars.com.
 
The Camry topped the Ford F-150 pickup to place first in the auto information site's annual American-Made Index. The index, in its fourth year, ranks U.S.-assembled vehicles using a formula that includes the percentage, by cost, of their parts made in the United States and Canada as well as their U.S. sales volume.
 
......Four other vehicles of Japanese origin -- the Honda Odyssey (4th), Toyota Sienna (6th), Toyota Tundra (7th) and Toyota Venza (10th) -- completed the list. The Sienna's 85 percent of parts made in the United States or Canada is the highest of any foreign-brand vehicle.

 
And in case anyone really thought this was an important debate for the majority of consumers:
 
But how much do consumers care about a car's origin? In a recent Cars.com survey, 23 percent of respondents said they wanted to buy only American-made cars, Olsen said, while about 10 percent wanted to buy only foreign-made vehicles.
 
“That means basically two-thirds of the people are saying, ‘I'll buy whatever car is best and most reliable,' ” he said. “It's a big open pool of potential customers.”

 
http://www.autonews.com/article/20090706/ANA05/907049994/1078
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Re: I guess [nippononly] by andre1969
Jul 06, 2009 (12:18 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Jul 06, 2009 12:08 pm)

.......Owners are upset that their warranties don't cover the HID bulbs, which can cost between $300 and $1,800 -- with labor -- to replace all or part of the light system
 
Good Lord that's a lot of money for a light bulb! Kinda brings me back down to earth though, to where I feel kinda bad paying $14.99 for a low-beam bulb for the Intrepid when the same thing for a 1979 New Yorker is about $6.99!
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Re: I guess [andre1969] by nippononly
Jul 06, 2009 (12:44 pm)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Jul 06, 2009 12:18 pm)

Yeah, sealed beam vs halogen bulb, right?
 
I guess these HIDs are run by computer and sometimes the computer burns out along with the bulb.
 
Ridiculous. There was a time when it was only my respect for the property of others that kept me from just bringing a crowbar along wherever I went and knocking these suckers out. HIDs are a menace, and an extremely expensive one it would seem.
 
Apparently Toyota has agreed in at least one case to pay for the parts ($1350)but not the labor ($450). If that's the case and the car in question was still under warranty, I would be VERY interested to know the rationale for refusing to pay for the labor.
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Re: I guess [nippononly] by nwng
Jul 06, 2009 (12:52 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Jul 06, 2009 12:08 pm)

I guess HID in a non-lux auto is not a good idea. I believe LED lights such as the ones in the newer audis that looks like eyebrows last a very long time. In the mean time, I'll stick with $34 (a pair) of bulbs at autozone every 5-6 years for my under $25k vehicles.
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Re: oh, and here's an ironic twist [nippononly] by steve_ HOST
Jul 06, 2009 (1:18 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Jul 06, 2009 12:13 pm)

How come Canada gets a free ride but Mexican factories making auto parts get left out? It shouldn't matter if the part comes from Toluca or Toronto if they are counting "American" parts.
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Re: I guess [nwng] by fintail
Jul 06, 2009 (1:29 pm)
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Replying to: nwng (Jul 06, 2009 12:52 pm)

LED will be the way of the future...eventually HID will just be a way to tell when a car was made, like with tailfins or wraparound windows. The eyebrow look could become dated, though.
 
I've never experienced the hate caused by HIDs, myself.
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Re: I guess [fintail] by gagrice
Jul 06, 2009 (3:04 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Jul 06, 2009 1:29 pm)

I've never experienced the hate caused by HIDs, myself.
 
They are a menace to oncoming drivers. Some are worse than others. I sometimes wish I had a couple million candlepower spot lights mounted on my car to give those blue lighted devils a taste of their own medicine.
 
When they first came out there were cases of them being stolen out of Lexus and the insurance refusing to cover the cost. I guess it was a simple chore to get them out.
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Re: I guess [nippononly] by kdhspyder
Jul 06, 2009 (3:11 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Jul 06, 2009 12:08 pm)

Knock on wood. At 120,000 miles nothing to report here and I'm way way out of warranty. My buddy CARBOT who also posts here just turned in his 2004 for a 2010. He had 246,000 miles on his with nothing to report. Actually I haven't heard anybody come back and complain to me personally since they began to arrive in 2003.
 
It's certainly an issue but I don't think it's very common if one goes by the level of complaints on PC for example. I'd be pizzed though at a $1500 bill for new lights. It would make me look at the body shop for totalled vehicles with the lights still intact. I'd make an offer to the insurance company if I could.
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Re: oh, and here's an ironic twist [steve_] by kdhspyder
Jul 06, 2009 (3:15 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jul 06, 2009 1:18 pm)

Congress wrote the bill about 'NA Content' at the behest of the UAW ( and its sister organization the CAW ). At the time there were few if any Mexican plants and they were non-unionized anyway....

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