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Toyota in decline in 2009?

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Re: To reiterate... [gagrice] by kdhspyder
Jun 03, 2009 (6:50 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 03, 2009 12:49 pm)

AFAIK yes they did. The only survivors in this entire segment will be the 4Runner in very small numbers and the Wrangler.
Explorer gone ( may return as a crossover )
Aspen/Durango gone
TrailBlazer/Envoy going
Pathfinder going ( may return as a crossover )
 
This midsized BOF SUV segment is a 'deadman walking' segment. It has no future.
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Re: To reiterate... [kdhspyder] by 210delray
Jun 04, 2009 (5:58 am)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jun 03, 2009 6:50 pm)

The '09 verision of the FJ Cruiser is shown on Toyota's website, but I do know it will be going away at some point in the near future. I also don't know how many '09s were actually built.
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Plant award by anythngbutgm
Jun 29, 2009 (12:24 pm)
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link title
 
Toyota’s assembly plant in Higashi-Fuji, Japan, was awarded the Platinum Plant Quality Award by J.D. Power & Associates for making vehicles with the fewest defects and malfunctions. The plant, which builds the Lexus SC 430 and Toyota Corolla, averaged just 29 problems for every 100 vehicles built.
 
J.D. Power released its 2009 Initial Quality Study this week, and for the sake of not repeating ourselves, you can find details on the rankings and procedures here.
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Re: To reiterate... [kdhspyder] by andre1969
Jun 30, 2009 (6:53 am)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jun 03, 2009 6:50 pm)

Is the Xterra going away, too? It's essentially a Pathfinder with about half a foot taken from the wheelbase. Actually, unless sales are really miserable, I'd think keeping the Pathfinder around would make more sense, since it's based so heavily on the Frontier pickup.
 
Once upon a time, the domestics had that relationship, too, where the Durango/Dakota were the same basic thing, as were the Blazer/S10, and the Ranger/original Explorer. Must have been pretty cheap to make an SUV and a pickup, when it was from the same platform. In more recent years though, they got away from that.
 
Is the Grand Cherokee going away?
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NUMMI by nippononly
Jun 30, 2009 (7:05 am)
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So what will Toyota do with NUMMI, now that it is burdened with the full costs of keeping it open and running?
 
GM to end NUMMI deal
 
The “New GM” that emerges from bankruptcy is shedding another plant--the NUMMI joint venture with Toyota in Northern California.
 
GM said on Monday that it can’t come to terms with Toyota on a new product for NUMMI to build, so it’s leaving the plant behind in the “Old GM” that will be put to rest in bankruptcy.
 
Throughout the 25 years of the joint venture, the plant provided GM with Toyota-based products such as the Chevrolet Nova, Geo and Prizm and the Pontiac Vibe, which ends its run in August.
 
Media reports say Toyota has offered a version of the Prius hybrid to GM, which could be built at NUMMI and would keep the factory busy.

 
http://www.autoweek.com/article/20090630/CARNEWS/906309995
 
Basically, everything sold as a GM vehicle over the years and built at NUMMI was mechanically a Toyota. But with Toyota abandoning plans for expanding production in the U.S., even to the point of leaving one plant 90% built and non-operational, you have to wonder what they will do with NUMMI.
 
Certainly it is an important facility in terms of Corolla production, and Tacoma production too although they could probably build a lot more Tacomas at the other plant in Mexico if they wanted to.
 
The evening news interviewed workers coming out of NUMMI last night, who talked about another meeting coming up this week when the staff will be told what is going to happen. They looked worried.
 
Of course, Toyota might have seen the writing on the wall several months ago with regard to this, and this might be the source of the rumors that Toyota was planning to start building Priuses at NUMMI. That would be a good way to fully utilize an existing plant while avoiding disruption of the supply of Corollas (and Tacomas). But if Toyota has to buy out GM's share of the plant, I'm not sure this would be the moment they would want to be making such a purchase.
 
Of course, if all the "old GM" assets are essentially worthless as is expected, maybe the pricetag would be acceptably low.
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Re: NUMMI [nippononly] by gagrice
Jun 30, 2009 (7:38 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Jun 30, 2009 7:05 am)

although they could probably build a lot more Tacomas at the other plant in Mexico if they wanted to.
 
Can they build the Tacoma in Mexico? Does the Chicken tax apply to Mexico with NAFTA.
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Re: NUMMI [gagrice] by nippononly
Jun 30, 2009 (7:59 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 30, 2009 7:38 am)

I don't believe it does, no. They have been bringing mostly assembled Tacomas from Mexico to NUMMI for finishing from what I can tell, but it is unclear whether they are actually building and finishing some of the Tacomas in Mexico.
 
What is clear is that Toyota has a substantial investment in the Mexican plant and has asserted more than once that there is room for a lot of growth there.
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Re: NUMMI [nippononly] by kdhspyder
Jun 30, 2009 (12:23 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Jun 30, 2009 7:05 am)

In addition to NUMMI they also have three other under-utilized plants in the Midwest; i.e. Princeton, Blue Springs and San Antonio. Something's gotta give. Sales are going to be down 20-25% for the entire industry for quite some time to come. All these plants are not needed.
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I guess by nippononly
Jul 06, 2009 (12:08 pm)
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all those who were concerned about Toyota's supposed huge excess inventories coming into 2009 need no longer worry:
 
Toyota on track for U.S. output boost
 
July 2, 2009 - 12:01 am ET
 
DETROIT (Reuters) -- Toyota Motor Corp. is on track to increase production for the U.S. market by about 65,000 vehicles after truck inventories dipped too low and demand showed signs of stabilizing, executives said on Wednesday
  
.....In response to the expectation of steadier demand, Toyota has increased planned production of light trucks such as the Sienna minivan, RAV4 SUV, Tacoma small pickup and Tundra full-size pickup as well as the Camry and Corolla passenger cars, Carter said.
 
Efforts by Toyota to bring down U.S. dealer inventories succeeded in reducing stock to a 40-day supply overall, Carter said.
 
"That's our target," he said. "But we're a little lighter on the light truck side than we'd like to be."
 
As an example of that shortfall, Carter said Toyota had just a 20-day supply of RAV4 SUVs at the end of June.

 
http://www.autonews.com/article/20090702/ANA05/307029950/1078/ANA08
(registration link)
 
Weren't there some saying Toyota would be forced to hold fire sales all through the year, and would still be left with unsold 2008s at year's end?!
 
Not so, it would seem. The 2010s are rolling out as scheduled, and Toyota is adjusting production UP to meet its new estimate of 10 million annual sales for the U.S. market.
 
OTOH, as an example of just one reason why I will never pay for HIDs:
 
Prius headlamp troubles could dim Toyota brand's reputation
 
June 30, 2009 - 1:57 pm ET
 
DETROIT -- Amid the launch of the third-generation Prius hybrid, Toyota Motor Corp. is taking a beating online and in court by owners who charge that some older models of the popular car have faulty headlights that can cost more than $1,000 to replace
 
.......Owners are upset that their warranties don't cover the HID bulbs, which can cost between $300 and $1,800 -- with labor -- to replace all or part of the light system

 
http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090630/ANA08/906309987/1186- &AssignSessionID=273352870341713
 
YIKES, that's a lot of money! It's unclear from the article whether owners are grousing because their HIDs fail soon after the warranty ha expired, or whether Toyota is refusing to replace them while still under warranty. On the one hand, it is a lightbulb, not usually covered under warranty, while on the other hand it is a heck of a lot of money and a vital component of the car which impacts safety when it burns out. The NHTSA is looking into it.

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