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Automotive News & Views Toyota in decline in 2009?
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Replying to: kdhspyder (May 19, 2009 9:01 pm)  No it is not a different issue it is the issue of your attempt to dismiss my opinion of the differences between Hyundai overall dependability and Kia and Toyota’s over all dependability and Scion’s. You indicated I had no basis for that opinion and I proved there was one. As far as recommending a vehicle if I wanted to recommend a vehicle for the expedition race across Kenya I might recommend a Land Rover. Doesn’t mean in the context of these discussion they are dependable only that it is the car most race teams are using in this particular example. In overall rating Toyota is either putting in more effort in their main brand or Scion owners are more discerning. I don’t believe the latter any more than I do that Kia owners are more discerning than Hyundai owners. Yet the “fact” remains the very study you indicated I didn’t read shows Scion and Kia much lower than Toyota and Hyundai. And I posted the site to prove it. So I read the whole thing and you attempted to spin it to say I was misleading. Same ship same topic and you are wrong. 
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For the first time since the recession started, Toyota is now losing market share for the YTD as of 5/31: down 39% even as the market overall is down "only" 36.5%. So it hasn't lost much market share as yet, but the loss is significant given the years and years now of steady and occasionally rapid increase in Toyota market share. And as of May Honda is officially feeling the pinch too, as is Nissan, while the domestics which lost more sales more quickly last year are beginning to even the score. The big winners? VW and Hyundai, growing market share like crazy since 1-1-08. Especially Hyundai. Oh, and litle Subaru is doing best of all, relatively speaking, which is perhaps good news for Toyota given its ownership stake in little ol' Sube. http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090602/ANA05/906029980/1078- (registration link)
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Replying to: nippononly (Jun 02, 2009 9:01 pm)
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Replying to: 210delray (Jun 03, 2009 5:20 am) And Toyota's is only down a little this year, but that was with $1500-2000 cash back on Camrys and Corollas, the highest cash incentives Toyota has had on those models in a long long time (I can't recall a Corolla incentive of more than $1000 in the last 20 years, but I could be forgetting something, who knows). What other tricks can Toyota pull out of its bag to gain back sales?
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Replying to: nippononly (Jun 03, 2009 5:59 am)  Whether any of these actually improve sales or just steal sales away from other models, I have no clue. |
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....Toyota is intentionally giving up marketshare due to the currency situation. We've been told to expect ZERO new Japanese-made vehicles in the 2nd half of the year...excluding the Prius. This includes all Scions, all Yaris', all 4R's, all Land Cruisers, all FJ's, many if not all Highlanders. IOW...'Plan to live off the Corolla, Camry, RAV, Prius, Tacoma, Sienna, Avalon and a few Tundras, Sequoias and Solaras.' I can't speak about the Lexus brand. This strategy is clearly shown in the monthly stats for May sales. Toyota is NOT going to ship extra units into a bad market especially at a currency penalty. I think that the days of chest-thumping when the sales stats come out are all but over. GM and Chrysler are about to shrink to miniature versions of what they used to be. Ford??? Toyota is shrinking itself. Honda?? Nissan?? Hyundai is growing itself but it's limited by production capacity. |
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jun 03, 2009 11:16 am)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jun 03, 2009 11:16 am) |
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 03, 2009 12:49 pm) Explorer gone ( may return as a crossover ) Aspen/Durango gone TrailBlazer/Envoy going Pathfinder going ( may return as a crossover ) This midsized BOF SUV segment is a 'deadman walking' segment. It has no future.
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jun 03, 2009 6:50 pm) |
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