Toyota in decline in 2009?

Replying to: berri (May 12, 2009 6:11 pm)

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Replying to: kdhspyder (May 18, 2009 9:29 am)

You make it too easy. Toyota makes the scion yet Toyota's dependability is higher, or am I mis quoting something? In 2008 Toyota was rated near the top in dependability. Right below Caddy, Mercury and Lexus. Scion was below Hummer? Could that be something you missed? Maybe it doesn't fit your spin?
 
Not wanting to trust my memory I looked up the 2009 JD powers dependability study, posted as you say for everyone to see and two things were easy to see. Toyota still was near thee top as a whole and Scion was still below Hummer, Jeep and even Kia. Explain that if they are putting as much effort into quality as their main brand. Now look at Hyundai in the very same graph. Here is the site so everyone else can see for themselves, since you brought it up.
http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/news/releases/pressrelease.aspx?ID=2009043
 
Now explain how Hyundai who owns Kia can be above average and Kia well below if they are putting the same effort into both brands. And I have the very same question for Toyota quality if Scion gets such a low rating?
 
I know it is tempting to cherry pick models and forget brands. There are good VW models as well but as a company? I bet there is even a good Suzuki but where are they rated? We often talk about company reputation when talking about domestics but retreat to a good model when talking about foreign cars. doubble standard?

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Replying to: grandtotal (May 19, 2009 4:58 pm)

Good for you but what does that have to do with the difference between Toyota and Scion dependability? I didn't say they weren't dependable I said they were more dependable than Scion. I think I only I have ever had one yota, a Small Sr-5 pickup. Rented a few Camry and liked it well enough.
 
But I did once consider a T-100 when they were first going to come out as a full sized truck. Didn't turn out to be a real work truck so I passed and got a Ram.
 
But thanks for the information even if I have no clue what it was for.

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Replying to: boaz47 (May 19, 2009 5:37 pm)

Looks like the Scion tC made the latest list of most satisfying models though:
 
http://wot.motortrend.com/6540456/auto-news/cadillac-scores-top-brand-satisfacti- on-award-in-autopacific-survey/index.html
 
I note with interest that neither Corolla nor Camry are on that list, but then they probably shouldn't feel bad, Honda only got one hit total, out of 18 categories....
 
And I guess Prius and Sienna are still satisfying their owners to the max.

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Replying to: nippononly (May 19, 2009 5:45 pm)

Yes but did scion move up on the dependability list? You can be satisfied or even reccommended but does that equate with the results of the study? Doesn't seem to when you consider it is done from "owners" responding.
 
A study is simply a guideline. I have one I like as well.
 
http://allnurses.com/nursing-news/nurses-most-ethical-133495.html
 
It goes to a earlier post I made.

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Replying to: kdhspyder (May 19, 2009 9:01 pm)

I toss the fertilizer flag.
 
No it is not a different issue it is the issue of your attempt to dismiss my opinion of the differences between Hyundai overall dependability and Kia and Toyota’s over all dependability and Scion’s. You indicated I had no basis for that opinion and I proved there was one. As far as recommending a vehicle if I wanted to recommend a vehicle for the expedition race across Kenya I might recommend a Land Rover. Doesn’t mean in the context of these discussion they are dependable only that it is the car most race teams are using in this particular example.
 
In overall rating Toyota is either putting in more effort in their main brand or Scion owners are more discerning. I don’t believe the latter any more than I do that Kia owners are more discerning than Hyundai owners. Yet the “fact” remains the very study you indicated I didn’t read shows Scion and Kia much lower than Toyota and Hyundai. And I posted the site to prove it. So I read the whole thing and you attempted to spin it to say I was misleading. Same ship same topic and you are wrong.