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Toyota in decline in 2009?

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Re: I guess they're not sitting on their hands though.... [mcdawgg] by imidazol97
May 04, 2009 (12:02 pm)
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Replying to: mcdawgg (May 04, 2009 11:35 am)

Toyota must have found more storage lots and tankers on which to hold the surplus if there's going to be shortage!!!
 
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Re: I guess they're not sitting on their hands though.... [imidazol97] by kdhspyder
May 04, 2009 (12:40 pm)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (May 04, 2009 12:02 pm)

Hellooooo....
 
The World’s largest car company has run out of storage lots in Northerrn Europe
 
NA has plenty of land available if such storage were needed.. This subject herein is about Toyota NA. We are short in several products as I noted above with the warning that the situation will not improve during the summer. However this does not apply to NA-made products where we will have all the supply we might need.
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Re: I guess they're not sitting on their hands though.... [kdhspyder] by imidazol97
May 04, 2009 (12:49 pm)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (May 04, 2009 12:40 pm)

>Toyota NA
 
The title says "Toyota." It doesn't eliminate Toyota in Europe.
 
You are saying Toyota doesn't have the lots shown on TV in past weeks loaded up with unsold vehicles?
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Re: I guess they're not sitting on their hands though.... [imidazol97] by kdhspyder
May 04, 2009 (12:52 pm)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (May 04, 2009 12:49 pm)

I know that, but the discussions we've been having in this thread concern NA?
 
OK, Northern Europe has a lack of land for empty vehicle storage, granted. Your response was to a post indicating a tightning of supply in N America. Is there a logical connection?
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Re: I guess they're not sitting on their hands though.... [kdhspyder] by nippononly
May 04, 2009 (2:09 pm)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (May 04, 2009 10:14 am)

Well, I hear you kdh, but it doesn't seem like good inventory practices to have a shortage of your only convertible going into the summer months. And all the BOF talk has nothing to do with the reason why, despite $1500 in cash AND special financing, Camry doesn't sell as well as Accord any more. Now, is tight inventory the reason? But there should be no reason for tight inventory in a North American built vehicle, when that would clearly represent a production slowdown. If it sells they need to be cranking them out right now.
 
I was waiting for the hammer to drop on Yarises, and then I heard from you that the yen exchange rate had improved a lot, which makes it seem really dumb to be low on supplies of their least expensive car (what with being in the middle of a recession and all).
 
Thanks for the confirmation on RAV4 being built in Woodstock. I had a feeling that was the case now. So the two models they plan to build more of in the months to come are both North American built - that's good as supply can come on-line quickly.
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Re: I guess they're not sitting on their hands though.... [nippononly] by kdhspyder
May 04, 2009 (3:00 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (May 04, 2009 2:09 pm)

The currency has rebounded back to just under the 100:1 range.
 
From your earlier post I think that we'll see an entirely different attitude this month on the Camry and Corolla. We also have a Honda store we own. They had great incentives last month that the Camry didn't have. Buying an Accord at invoice was unheard of in our area. Last month the stores were pushing them out the door at invoice and happy to do it. From Edmunds here...
 
$1000 Cash to Dealer start: 03/18/2009 end: 05/04/2009 Get Dealer Pricing
Restrictions Dealer Cash is combinable with Special APR.
Comments Dealer participation may vary. Incentives and Rebates are provided subject to the terms of our Visitor Agreement.

 
Toyota missed a step here in reacting to Honda's agression.
 
It is surprising to me also that the Yaris' and Scions are going to be demoted somewhat except that there is little or no margin in either vehicle. Neither can sustain much of a foreign exchange loss without being priced far too high for the segment each is in.
 
I don't know this for certain but while the Lexus' are more expensive they also have greater margins so each could conceivably absorb a 5% foreign exchange loss and still remain profitable - somewhat. Plus the very valuable Lexus network of dealers should not be starved of product.
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Re: I guess they're not sitting on their hands though.... [kdhspyder] by mcdawgg
May 04, 2009 (4:15 pm)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (May 04, 2009 3:00 pm)

From your earlier post I think that we'll see an entirely different attitude this month on the Camry and Corolla. We also have a Honda store we own. They had great incentives last month that the Camry didn't have. Buying an Accord at invoice was unheard of in our area. Last month the stores were pushing them out the door at invoice and happy to do it. From Edmunds here...
 
Besides that, ONE month doesn't mean a whole lot. I could go back years and the Camry would be the overall winner in sales, if that's how you want to compare them. Remember when the new Accord came out, the Camry still beat it? I'm not bashing Honda, just saying one month doesn't mean anything. Man, now that Toyota is #1, they sure are a target!!!
 
Personally, I wish them both well. Both great companies with a slightly different focus.
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Re: I guess they're not sitting on their hands though.... [kdhspyder] by gagrice
May 04, 2009 (5:18 pm)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (May 04, 2009 10:14 am)

it looks like that's about to change even though certain models may be in very short supply soon. Yaris', Scions, 4Runners, FJ's, Solara's and Sequoias will likley be tough to impossible to find as we go into summer.
 
That may be good news for me. I would really like to sell my pristine 2007 Sequoia Limited 4X4 with only 9000 tender miles always garaged. Leather stills smells new. DVD player and wireless headsets never used. That is if I find a diesel SUV I like better.
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Re: I guess they're not sitting on their hands though.... [gagrice] by imidazol97
May 04, 2009 (5:34 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (May 04, 2009 5:18 pm)

>pristine 2007 Sequoia Limited 4X4 with only 9000
 
Sounds like you'll get above MSRP for it with all the shortages they'll be so hard to get.
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Used Toyotas, are they going to be hot? [imidazol97] by gagrice
May 04, 2009 (6:49 pm)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (May 04, 2009 5:34 pm)

That would be nice. I did buy it for $10,000 under MSRP, $5000 under invoice, so I have some room to deal. I would be happy to break even. That is unlikely, this is not a VW diesel I am selling. What I have going for me is patience. It took a year to get rid of that GMC Hybrid PU truck at MY PRICE. I would NEVER trade in a vehicle unless I can find a clunker and make a couple grand on a tax credit.

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