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Toyota in decline in 2009?

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Re: in the "OOPS" category [corvette] by steve_ HOST
Mar 19, 2009 (6:19 pm)
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Replying to: corvette (Mar 19, 2009 6:16 pm)

I don't think owners of problem cars are going to cut the manufacturers much slack for a trouble-free year three.
 
Check out Comments: Consumer Reports/JD Power Rankings too.
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That is a 2005 article by dbostondriver
Mar 21, 2009 (9:09 am)
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You all really should invest $5 dollars to join Consumer Reports and look at reliability history. Consumer Reports is a NOT FOR PROFIT company.
Also Scotty, that is a 2005 article. For more recent recalls look at
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=144390
This is a recall where your new car may not start or go into park while driving.
GM is dead. Face it. Wouldn't your rather have a BMW, Acura, F-150?
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Edmunds has pretty good reviews by dbostondriver
Mar 21, 2009 (9:51 am)
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I actually really respect the subjectivity of their long term reviews and performance reviews. The video of the 370z vs Mustang was very interesting and fair. Though I like the Mustang better, I feel that the comparison was fair.
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so by nippononly
Mar 26, 2009 (8:26 am)
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the Yaris line will get a hybrid now, but there STILL won't be one for the Corolla line??
 
They are looking at bringing in the Yaris hybrid in 2011:
 
Toyota plans Yaris-based hybrid
 
March 25, 2009 - 10:51 am ET
 
TOKYO -- The green car race between Toyota and Honda is heating up.
  
Toyota Motor Corp. plans a new small hybrid car to take on the Insight, the inexpensive Honda hybrid that just reached the United States.
 
The small gasoline-electric car being planned will be a low-priced spinoff of the Toyota Yaris, said Akihiko Otsuka, chief engineer of the redesigned, third-generation Toyota Prius.
 
"We are developing a low-priced hybrid vehicle like Honda's Insight," Otsuka said. "We are going to compete by expanding our hybrid-vehicle lineup to smaller hybrids, in the class of the Vitz [sold in Japan] and Yaris." He did not say when the small hybrid would debut, but it could arrive as early as 2011, according to Japan's Nikkei business newspaper.

 
http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090325/ANA02/903259986/1186-
(registration link)
 
It also mentions that Toyota is getting into the Li-Ion battery production biz, so that it doesn't have to rely on Panasonic for its battery packs in the future as it does now. Good idea, Toyota.
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devious! by nippononly
Apr 04, 2009 (7:58 pm)
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The hybrid wars heat up:
 
Toyota to slash new Prius price to match Honda Insight
 
Toyota Motor Corp. is going for the jugular with its redesigned Prius, setting a 2.05 million yen starting price ($20,750) in Japan that is on par with the newly released Honda Insight.
 
Toyota notified Japanese dealers of the cutthroat pricing policy for its redesigned 1.8-liter gasoline-electric hybrid on March 25, dealers in Japan say.
 
Toyota has not yet officially announced pricing and declined to comment.
 
The move stokes a high-stakes price war between the Prius and the Honda Insight, which went on sale in the United States in March starting at $20,470, including delivery. The third-generation Prius goes on sale next month and had been expected to start around $24,000.
 
Aggressive U.S. pricing likely
 
Bringing the starting price down to Insight levels will steal Honda's thunder as purveyor of world's first affordable hybrid vehicle. Toyota's pricing strategy for the Prius in the United States is still unclear. But if Japan is any guide, it will be very aggressive.

 
http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.efda853/2606
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Honda's big idea with the Insight was to undercut Prius pricing to steal a lot of its thunder. Now Toyota will meet them head on. The questions that come to my mind are (1) is this wise - it must cut out a lot of Toyota's profits on this model, and (2) what about all the existing Prius owners? There go all the CPO sales, with the new model selling for thousands less than used models, and there goes a solid chunk of resale value for Prius owners.
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Re: devious! [nippononly] by steve_ HOST
Apr 04, 2009 (8:09 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Apr 04, 2009 7:58 pm)

This ought to be fun.
 
Unless you just bought a Prius perhaps.
 
Did you notice the Edmunds Answer question in the sidebar btw?
 
On a 2002 Prius with 176000 miles, what can I reasonably expect from the battery life at this point?
 
That's some serious miles.
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Re: devious! [steve_] by nippononly
Apr 04, 2009 (8:51 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Apr 04, 2009 8:09 pm)

Well you know the story of the Vancouver BC cabby who put more than a quarter million miles on his, with no problem with the battery pack, right? At that point I believe Toyota bought it back from him to study it, or something like that. His was the same generation as the '02 the poster is asking about.
 
If word of the new Prius price gets around, Prius sales will fall to zero until the new model is readily available.....
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Re: devious! [nippononly] by steve_ HOST
Apr 04, 2009 (8:58 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Apr 04, 2009 8:51 pm)

Missed that story, but I haven't followed the Prius all that closely.
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Re: devious! [steve_] by fezo
Apr 05, 2009 (7:54 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Apr 04, 2009 8:58 pm)

That's pretty amazing. If they do that over here they may well kill the Insight. I like the idea of the Insight but it's best feature is the price. If Prius matches it I don't see why you'd buy the Honda - and this comes from a guy with a serious Honda bias.
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Re: devious! [steve_] by kdhspyder
Apr 06, 2009 (6:15 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Apr 04, 2009 8:09 pm)

It is definitely some serious miles but it seems to be that the battery may be the longest lasting part of the hybrid vehicles.
 
Recent article that in SF taxi owners had to turn in their Escape hybrids at 300,000 miles by law ( all taxis have to be retired at that time ) with no battery failures at all.
 
Ya know what's even more shocking??? Resales values..
A friend who purchased his 2004 Prius from me in Jan 04 has a new 2010 on order for May. When his 2010 arrives he will be breaking 240,000 miles - no issues. It's still pluggin away ( ewwww ) at 47 mpg day in and day out. We looked up the values of his Prius here at Edmunds and in the Black Book....are you ready... $7700 as a trade-in and over $9000 if he sold it in the paper!!!! The vehicle was $27500-ish when new.
 
110,000 miles in 41 mo's here on my own. I'm going to hold it to 250,000 mi just to break his local record.

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