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Replying to: fintail (Jan 30, 2009 12:39 pm) Just like Lamborghini and Ferrari and Hummer owners want "everyone to know" their image of themselves. Difference: Prius owners are actually doing something worthy of admiration.
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 30, 2009 12:42 pm) People mock those supercars and SUVs too, no reason any other should be immune. |
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Replying to: fintail (Jan 30, 2009 12:24 pm) You assume a driver gives up a fuel efficient vehicle to move into a new more fuel efficient vehicle. There are soo many other possibilities that you just haven't considered. You also assume a Prius and a Denali ( you must know someone who has both ) cancelling each other out. A family is much more likely to have a minivan and a Prius. There is no 'right or 'wrong' in these decisions. It's only about buying a car to drive. People buy them for all kinds of reasons. Only others wanting to make judgements seem to impute some 'right' or 'wrong' connotation to this action. It's an action done thousands of times a day why is there a right/wrong or good/bad attached to this vehicle. If some feel that they are doing something good for themselves and society....so what!!!!! It's their money. If some just like the vehicle....so what!!!! If some just want to spend less on gas....so what!!! If some just want to support Toyota and/or new technology....so what!!! If some just want...............................It's their money.
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jan 30, 2009 12:50 pm)  Yes, it is their money to do with as they choose, and anyone else can comment as they choose. Freedom is a two way street.
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Replying to: fintail (Jan 30, 2009 12:39 pm) ...they 'made it' ...they're frugal and sensible ...they aren't concerned with other's opinions ...they're 'tough' ...they're a 'real man' ...they're a feminine woman ...they can blow your doors off ...they're doing something 'right' for the environment Why does this reason bother you so much? Just ignore it if it does. Itseems like it's like a burr in your saddle where the other reasons don't affect you in the least. |
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Replying to: fintail (Jan 30, 2009 12:54 pm) 'Prius' and 'Tundra' Why? They're damn vehicles. Nothing more. Why does it matter what one thinks when one buys a Prius or Mustang or Volvo. It's a damn vehicle that in 15-20 yrs will be worthless.
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Replying to: anythngbutgm (Jan 30, 2009 11:25 am) Toyota's original plan for Prius was for it to be a technology showcase, which is where my remark was directed. And for that matter, they are probably onto something there - some buyers probably bought Prius because they perceived it to be technologically advanced, at least back in '04-'05. I see from kdh's remarks that they are set to introduce a fair amount of new tech into the Prius III, to keep it up with the times, and that's a good thing. My hope/fear is twofold: 1. that Toyota is aware we are in a recession and is not making a business model around 200K annual sales of the Gen 3, and 2. that Toyota is not pricing Prius right out of the market. After all, it will still be a smallish car, which at $30K is a challenging sale, even given its hybrid powertrain (STILL the highest-rated car for fuel economy on sale in the U.S.) and new tech features. My fears on both counts (1) and (2) will be compounded tenfold if Toyota sells the Prius II at a price of $20K right next to this new model. On a sidenote, I think it's funny that people take such offense at the idealistic view those few buyers take that they are making a standout statement on their eco principles by buying a Prius. Sure there are a few buyers like that but you can hardly ascribe that philosophy to all Prius owners everywhere, and so what if those few folks think that? Buying a Mercedes says you are rich, buying a Maserati says you are rich and like to show it, buying a Porsche says you are in your midlife crisis, buying a mondo-SUV says you are a big strong man with lots of outdoor pursuits, I could go on. All these themes are equally laughable.
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jan 30, 2009 1:01 pm) FWIW, I was partially baiting our friend larsb. The Prius or its stereotypical driver is no more mockable than many others...but no less as well.
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Replying to: nippononly (Jan 30, 2009 2:05 pm) Around here it says you are a 5' 2" blonde soccer Mom with a cell phone permanently attached to your ear. So much for image. |
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Replying to: nippononly (Jan 30, 2009 2:05 pm) However.. if the economy stays in the pits,...if the economy is so severely damaged that the recovery takes years to bring us back to where we were,....if the currency issue gets worse and worse, ...if the pricing in the high $20's is too much for our diminished budgets, ...if... I think the G2.8 Prius stripped down will serve a good purpose. It will help catch those that might have stepped up to a $25000 G3 in the past but now cannot afford to do so. I think that it will also capture some new buyers, some. I also think that it will serve the same function as the Corolla to the Camry. The Corolla guards the rear of the Camry. It allows the Camry to be sold at $22000 MSRP and up. When I started here in the late 90's the new Camry's were being discounted into the $15900 range when things got tough. Now that doesn't happen very much if at all. Never here actually. Thus too the G2.8 Prius will guard the backside of the G3 Prius. "I'd love to have a Prius but $26500 is just too much." "Well, how about one that looks the same, has the same room, still gets 48mpg day after day, is rock solid and dependable....and only costs $19,995?" |
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