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Toyota in decline in 2009?

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Re: prius II cost cutting [fintail] by larsb
Jan 30, 2009 (12:27 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Jan 30, 2009 12:24 pm)

Does not matter, because the lifetime pollution total of the Prius is less than it's gas counterparts. And all along the way, the Prius is reducing emissions.
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Re: prius II cost cutting [larsb] by fintail
Jan 30, 2009 (12:30 pm)
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 30, 2009 12:27 pm)

It matters very much. Short term impacts are not worthless. Who can say what the lifetime of the car will be, or how often the status seeking eco-weenie will demand another car to be produced so his ego can be stroked with the latest "green" trend.
 
Defend those self-righteous eco-ambitions to the death.
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Re: prius II cost cutting [fintail] by kdhspyder
Jan 30, 2009 (12:36 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Jan 30, 2009 12:12 pm)

This is wrong. I just don't care. I just want to use less fuel and be comfortable in doing so. Period.
 
Your perspective is much much too narrow.
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Re: prius II cost cutting [kdhspyder] by fintail
Jan 30, 2009 (12:39 pm)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jan 30, 2009 12:36 pm)

I never said it applied to every Prius owner. Some simply want something with low operating costs after intial purchase. Some want to feel good and couldn't care less about what others think. But some want everyone to know.
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Re: prius II cost cutting [fintail] by larsb
Jan 30, 2009 (12:42 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Jan 30, 2009 12:39 pm)

fintail says, "But some want everyone to know. "
 
Just like Lamborghini and Ferrari and Hummer owners want "everyone to know" their image of themselves.
 
Difference: Prius owners are actually doing something worthy of admiration.
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Re: prius II cost cutting [larsb] by fintail
Jan 30, 2009 (12:45 pm)
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 30, 2009 12:42 pm)

Yes, buying a questionable looking backwards turtle car is admirable. Reducing what in the scheme of things is an insignificant amount of gas and pollution should really put one in line to be canonized. It really makes a difference.
 
People mock those supercars and SUVs too, no reason any other should be immune.
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Re: prius II cost cutting [fintail] by kdhspyder
Jan 30, 2009 (12:50 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Jan 30, 2009 12:24 pm)

You're making huge assuptions here about the general buying public from a specific example or two which is always wrong to do. Logical Fallacy.
 
You assume a driver gives up a fuel efficient vehicle to move into a new more fuel efficient vehicle. There are soo many other possibilities that you just haven't considered.
 
You also assume a Prius and a Denali ( you must know someone who has both ) cancelling each other out. A family is much more likely to have a minivan and a Prius.
 
There is no 'right or 'wrong' in these decisions. It's only about buying a car to drive. People buy them for all kinds of reasons. Only others wanting to make judgements seem to impute some 'right' or 'wrong' connotation to this action. It's an action done thousands of times a day why is there a right/wrong or good/bad attached to this vehicle.
 
If some feel that they are doing something good for themselves and society....so what!!!!! It's their money.
 
If some just like the vehicle....so what!!!!
If some just want to spend less on gas....so what!!!
If some just want to support Toyota and/or new technology....so what!!!
If some just want...............................It's their money.
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Re: prius II cost cutting [kdhspyder] by fintail
Jan 30, 2009 (12:54 pm)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jan 30, 2009 12:50 pm)

I never said anything about absolutes, did I? Everyone is so defensive here...
 
Yes, it is their money to do with as they choose, and anyone else can comment as they choose. Freedom is a two way street.
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Re: prius II cost cutting [fintail] by kdhspyder
Jan 30, 2009 (12:57 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Jan 30, 2009 12:39 pm)

A huge number of vehicle purchases are made because '..some want everyone to know' that....
...they 'made it'
...they're frugal and sensible
...they aren't concerned with other's opinions
...they're 'tough'
...they're a 'real man'
...they're a feminine woman
...they can blow your doors off
...they're doing something 'right' for the environment
 
Why does this reason bother you so much? Just ignore it if it does. Itseems like it's like a burr in your saddle where the other reasons don't affect you in the least.

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