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Re: prius II cost cutting [larsb] by fintail
Jan 30, 2009 (12:12 pm)
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 30, 2009 11:31 am)

The image-conscious Prius buyer wants everyone else to think he/she is doing good for others - which has no relation to the good actually existing. Seems to be just as vain...
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Re: prius II cost cutting [fintail] by larsb
Jan 30, 2009 (12:16 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Jan 30, 2009 12:12 pm)

The feeling 100% is related to that actual existence of the good.
 
You ARE burning less fuel and polluting less than about 99% of the other vehicles on the road.
 
That is a definable "good."
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Re: prius II cost cutting [larsb] by fintail
Jan 30, 2009 (12:24 pm)
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 30, 2009 12:16 pm)

And how much pollution was created to make this vehicle instead of keeping a previous model efficient vehicle? Compare that to using public transport? And what about the other car in the garage? If one has a Prius and a Denali instead of a pair of normal cars, is there really a gain?
 
Prius drivers are not immune from having vain image aspirations.
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Re: prius II cost cutting [fintail] by larsb
Jan 30, 2009 (12:27 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Jan 30, 2009 12:24 pm)

Does not matter, because the lifetime pollution total of the Prius is less than it's gas counterparts. And all along the way, the Prius is reducing emissions.
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Re: prius II cost cutting [larsb] by fintail
Jan 30, 2009 (12:30 pm)
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 30, 2009 12:27 pm)

It matters very much. Short term impacts are not worthless. Who can say what the lifetime of the car will be, or how often the status seeking eco-weenie will demand another car to be produced so his ego can be stroked with the latest "green" trend.
 
Defend those self-righteous eco-ambitions to the death.
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Re: prius II cost cutting [fintail] by kdhspyder
Jan 30, 2009 (12:36 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Jan 30, 2009 12:12 pm)

This is wrong. I just don't care. I just want to use less fuel and be comfortable in doing so. Period.
 
Your perspective is much much too narrow.
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Re: prius II cost cutting [kdhspyder] by fintail
Jan 30, 2009 (12:39 pm)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jan 30, 2009 12:36 pm)

I never said it applied to every Prius owner. Some simply want something with low operating costs after intial purchase. Some want to feel good and couldn't care less about what others think. But some want everyone to know.
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Re: prius II cost cutting [fintail] by larsb
Jan 30, 2009 (12:42 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Jan 30, 2009 12:39 pm)

fintail says, "But some want everyone to know. "
 
Just like Lamborghini and Ferrari and Hummer owners want "everyone to know" their image of themselves.
 
Difference: Prius owners are actually doing something worthy of admiration.
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Re: prius II cost cutting [larsb] by fintail
Jan 30, 2009 (12:45 pm)
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 30, 2009 12:42 pm)

Yes, buying a questionable looking backwards turtle car is admirable. Reducing what in the scheme of things is an insignificant amount of gas and pollution should really put one in line to be canonized. It really makes a difference.
 
People mock those supercars and SUVs too, no reason any other should be immune.

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