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2702 messages, Last post on Jun 30, 2009 at 1:23 PM
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Honda will be presenting the Insight in the spring that should contend directly with the Toyota Prius How do you think it will do that when it is EPA rated much lower than the current Prius? I think Honda wasted their time with that thing. They should have learned with the Accord hybrid. Just stick with the HCH and don't try to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.
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Well, ... nah, never mind. 
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 12, 2009 8:49 pm)
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Replying to: anythngbutgm (Jan 13, 2009 6:18 am)
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Replying to: 210delray (Jan 13, 2009 7:50 am) |
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Specs on new Prius I remember posting this on these forums somewhere a few years ago when a Toyota rep said it, and many people guffawed at it and doubted 'Yota could do it. They reduced the size of the hybrid system components and dropped 20% off the weight. Ninety percent of the Prius's hybrid synergy drive system has been redesigned, with the focus on weight reduction. The lighter components include the transaxle to cut down on torque loss, inverter with direct cooling and smaller motor. In all, Toyota says it reduced system weight by 20 percent and estimates a 50-mpg combined fuel economy rating. Three selectable drive modes are now offered. EV-Drive uses only battery power for low speed motoring, Eco for optimal fuel economy and Power mode increases throttle response for enthusiastic outings. Additionally, the regenerative brake system, now with discs at all corners, has been revised for improved regeneration performance. Paired with the hybrid system is a 1.8-liter Atkinson-cycle four-cylinder, replacing the previous 1.5-liter unit. The larger engine features a power bump of 22 hp to 98 hp and torque increase of 23 lb-ft to 105 lb-ft over its predecessor, helping to shave off more than a second from the Prius's 0-60 mph time, to 9.8 seconds. With the additional torque, engine revs are kept lower at highway speeds to consume less fuel. Also helping to improve engine efficiency is an electric water pump, exhaust gas recirculation system and the elimination of all belts under hood. New exterior styling boasts sharper lines and more distinctive wedge shape, achieved by moving the top of the roof back 3.9 inches to improve rear headroom and aerodynamics. Extensive wind tunnel work further improves airflow through the underbody to drop the coefficient of drag value to 0.25 from 0.26 of the current model. The redone interior is built partially from plant-derived, carbon-neutral plastics. Cabin comfort improves with an optional moonroof with solar panels powering an electric fan, reducing cool-down periods in warm months. A remote air conditioning system is also offered, capable of operating on battery power alone to adjust interior temperature prior to getting in the car. Reducing driver distractions is a Touch Tracer system that projects an image of audio and info controls on a panel in front of the driver. Radar cruise control and a self-parking system are also available as options. |
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Replying to: anythngbutgm (Jan 12, 2009 1:46 pm) Well, I could if I felt like paying $38,000 for a Corolla with leather seats. Needless to say, that was not really what I had in mind.... Oh, and lars: just to be clear, the weight of the hybrid componentry in the new Prius is 20% lighter, the overall car is not. In fact, it seems the overall car is almost exactly the same size inside and out, with 5 additional cubic feet of interior space eked from somewhere. Now using the 1.8, they only managed to improve fuel economy by about 8%, while making it a half second quicker to 60 mph from a standstill (now under 10 seconds for the first time in the Prius's history). 8% aint all that much, if this has to stand for the next five years, during which all the plug-ins and electric cars will make it to market.
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Replying to: nippononly (Jan 13, 2009 10:14 am) I was just quoting it as an example, that's all.
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Replying to: anythngbutgm (Jan 13, 2009 10:30 am) Plus, it's an Avensis platform with the 2.4 from the old Camry, so it's basically 90% of the Camry's size and weight (witness the tC that uses the Avensis platform and can't manage to get under 3000 pounds curb weight with the same engine and without hybrid gadgetry and batteries). Given that fact, it's high time the ES got onto a unique platform and stopped so much sharing with the existing Camry. I mean, they could sell the Camry hybrid as an ES250H for around $38K starting tomorrow, and I'm not sure why they don't. Not profitable enough for Toyota-the-profit-fiend, would be my guess.
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Replying to: nippononly (Jan 13, 2009 10:37 am) |
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