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#2413 of 3618 Re: of course [larsb] by gagrice Jan 12, 2009 (2:13 pm)
Replying to: larsb (Jan 12, 2009 1:29 pm) What is all the todo about the Insight. It is smaller than a Civic and gets worse mileage. Am I missing something here? Not to mention the Prius blowing into the weeds mileage wise in-spite of your test data. I'm Nippon on this one. I think anything less than 60 MPG for the Insight is a joke. Tell me this is not a joke. Replies to this message: larsb (Jan 12, 2009 2:24 pm) kdhspyder (Jan 12, 2009 3:36 pm)
#2414 of 3618 Re: speaking of the Prius [larsb] by gagrice Jan 12, 2009 (2:16 pm)
Replying to: larsb (Jan 12, 2009 2:06 pm) You are the only one that mentioned Toyota and liar. I said Toyota Hype Big, Big difference.   Hype   1. Excessive publicity and the ensuing commotion: the hype surrounding the murder trial. 2. Exaggerated or extravagant claims made especially in advertising or promotional material: "It is pure hype, a gigantic PR job" Saturday Review.
#2415 of 3618 Re: of course [gagrice] by larsb Jan 12, 2009 (2:24 pm)
Replying to: gagrice (Jan 12, 2009 2:13 pm) See my response in the appropriate forum
#2416 of 3618 Re: speaking of the Prius [kdhspyder] by explorerx4 Jan 12, 2009 (2:41 pm)
Replying to: kdhspyder (Jan 12, 2009 11:13 am) yes, the imerial gallon is larger than a us gallon. 1 us gallon = .8 imperial gallon, as you pointed out.
#2417 of 3618 Re: of course [gagrice] by kdhspyder Jan 12, 2009 (3:36 pm)
Replying to: gagrice (Jan 12, 2009 2:13 pm) The Insight can't get any better numbers than the current Prius. It uses the same IMA configuration that the current HCH uses but it's e-motor is even less powerful.   It's a mini-HCH in the shape of the Prius for aerodynamic reasons. 60 MPG is out of the question. I'm surprised even that it reached 50 MPG in realworld testing.   It's lighter smaller and has less content than the current and future Prius, but it's perfectly placed for the budget conscious. Another way of looking at it is that it's a Honda Fit $17000 with a $1500 IMA option. Look at the Fit with it's size, ride, amenities and safety features and there you have the Insight II.
#2419 of 3618 Re: 62 MPG... [lemko] by 210delray Jan 12, 2009 (6:51 pm)
Replying to: lemko (Jan 12, 2009 8:13 am) That's a good one lemko, citing the diesel Rabbit of old, when you wouldn't touch such a car with a 10-foot pole, then or now.   I had 2 Rabbits, a '75 that was a hoot to drive (when it was running; what a pile of junk!), then I went and traded it and my wife's Corolla on a PA-built '79 gas version. Better though slower, but still nowhere near the reputed quality of the earlier Beetles. Diesel version? It only had the (meager) power of the old Beetle and what a smoker!   The current Prius is in a whole 'nother league! And I've never considered another VW since.
#2420 of 3618 Re: Go with the unsung hero! [chromedome] by gagrice Jan 12, 2009 (7:49 pm)
Honda will be presenting the Insight in the spring that should contend directly with the Toyota Prius   How do you think it will do that when it is EPA rated much lower than the current Prius? I think Honda wasted their time with that thing. They should have learned with the Accord hybrid. Just stick with the HCH and don't try to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. Replies to this message: anythngbutgm (Jan 13, 2009 5:18 am) 210delray (Jan 13, 2009 6:50 am) anythngbutgm (Jan 13, 2009 7:02 am)
#2421 of 3618 Re: Go with the unsung hero! [chromedome] by mcdawgg Jan 12, 2009 (9:44 pm)
Well, ... nah, never mind.
#2422 of 3618 Re: Go with the unsung hero! [gagrice] by anythngbutgm Jan 13, 2009 (5:18 am)
Replying to: gagrice (Jan 12, 2009 7:49 pm) Ya know Gary, I gotta agree with you here. Not really in that they "wasted there time" per se because they weren't going to just sit by and watch Toyota and Ford gobble up the hybrid market. But the Insight mileage can be seen as a disappointment due to the fact that the first gen acheived better mileage than any Prius up to this point and this one will merely match Hondas own Civic hybrid. That's not impressive by any means. Replies to this message: 210delray (Jan 13, 2009 6:50 am) anythngbutgm (Jan 13, 2009 7:02 am)

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