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#2409 of 3618 Re: of course [larsb] by grandtotal Jan 12, 2009 (1:13 pm)
Replying to: larsb (Jan 12, 2009 12:57 pm) Combine the fact that it is about $5K less than a comparably-equipped Prius, and it looks like at the VERY LEAST in MPH (sic)    2010 Insight = Prius   You can only say that if they run the new Prius over exactly the same course. Replies to this message: larsb (Jan 12, 2009 1:29 pm) gagrice (Jan 12, 2009 2:13 pm) larsb (Jan 12, 2009 2:24 pm) kdhspyder (Jan 12, 2009 3:36 pm)
#2410 of 3618 Re: of course [grandtotal] by larsb Jan 12, 2009 (1:29 pm)
Replying to: grandtotal (Jan 12, 2009 1:13 pm) Well, no, I can say that because the test drive showed the 51.5 mpg number of the new Insight compares favorably with real-world results of the current Prius.   Regardless of what a Prius would do on the EXACT same course, 51.5 is in range with what some of the better numbers on gh.com are for the Prius.   It just shows that the new Insight is capable of Prius-like numbers in real-world driving. Replies to this message: gagrice (Jan 12, 2009 2:13 pm) larsb (Jan 12, 2009 2:24 pm) kdhspyder (Jan 12, 2009 3:36 pm)
#2411 of 3618 Re: speaking of the Prius [kdhspyder] by gagrice Jan 12, 2009 (2:02 pm)
Replying to: kdhspyder (Jan 12, 2009 11:13 am) It has nothing to do with lying but in the fact that the testing procedures are different, nothing more.   The only one saying that Toyota people are Liars is Larsb. I think you both missed the key word. AROUND 75 MPG. Hype is not a lie. It is stretching the truth with a certain amount of optimism. With the right driver I have no doubt that any Prius could get 75 MPG in the UK. There are no official EPA or UK mileage figures. So the writers speculate with a little bit of exaggeration to whet the hybrid faithful's psyche. Replies to this message: larsb (Jan 12, 2009 2:06 pm) gagrice (Jan 12, 2009 2:16 pm)
#2412 of 3618 Re: speaking of the Prius [gagrice] by larsb Jan 12, 2009 (2:06 pm)
Replying to: gagrice (Jan 12, 2009 2:02 pm) Gary says, "The only one saying that Toyota people are Liars is Larsb"   Whoa- hold on there !! I never said that at all !! Replies to this message: gagrice (Jan 12, 2009 2:16 pm)
#2413 of 3618 Re: of course [larsb] by gagrice Jan 12, 2009 (2:13 pm)
Replying to: larsb (Jan 12, 2009 1:29 pm) What is all the todo about the Insight. It is smaller than a Civic and gets worse mileage. Am I missing something here? Not to mention the Prius blowing into the weeds mileage wise in-spite of your test data. I'm Nippon on this one. I think anything less than 60 MPG for the Insight is a joke. Tell me this is not a joke. Replies to this message: larsb (Jan 12, 2009 2:24 pm) kdhspyder (Jan 12, 2009 3:36 pm)
#2414 of 3618 Re: speaking of the Prius [larsb] by gagrice Jan 12, 2009 (2:16 pm)
Replying to: larsb (Jan 12, 2009 2:06 pm) You are the only one that mentioned Toyota and liar. I said Toyota Hype Big, Big difference.   Hype   1. Excessive publicity and the ensuing commotion: the hype surrounding the murder trial. 2. Exaggerated or extravagant claims made especially in advertising or promotional material: "It is pure hype, a gigantic PR job" Saturday Review.
#2415 of 3618 Re: of course [gagrice] by larsb Jan 12, 2009 (2:24 pm)
Replying to: gagrice (Jan 12, 2009 2:13 pm) See my response in the appropriate forum
#2416 of 3618 Re: speaking of the Prius [kdhspyder] by explorerx4 Jan 12, 2009 (2:41 pm)
Replying to: kdhspyder (Jan 12, 2009 11:13 am) yes, the imerial gallon is larger than a us gallon. 1 us gallon = .8 imperial gallon, as you pointed out.
#2417 of 3618 Re: of course [gagrice] by kdhspyder Jan 12, 2009 (3:36 pm)
Replying to: gagrice (Jan 12, 2009 2:13 pm) The Insight can't get any better numbers than the current Prius. It uses the same IMA configuration that the current HCH uses but it's e-motor is even less powerful.   It's a mini-HCH in the shape of the Prius for aerodynamic reasons. 60 MPG is out of the question. I'm surprised even that it reached 50 MPG in realworld testing.   It's lighter smaller and has less content than the current and future Prius, but it's perfectly placed for the budget conscious. Another way of looking at it is that it's a Honda Fit $17000 with a $1500 IMA option. Look at the Fit with it's size, ride, amenities and safety features and there you have the Insight II.

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