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Toyota in decline in 2009?

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Re: of course [nippononly] by louiswei
Jan 12, 2009 (12:49 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Jan 12, 2009 12:12 pm)

With any luck Honda's new Insight will beat the new Prius's 52 mpg - we need an honest 60 mpg 5-passenger car in the States pronto.
 
Well apparently Honda is out of luck because...
 
The Insight is rated at 40 city/43 highway , which, mind you, is not even better than the CURRENT gen Prius.
 
Prius > Insight hands down.
 
Source: 2010 Honda Insight EX Full Test and Video
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Re: of course [louiswei] by larsb
Jan 12, 2009 (12:57 pm)
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Replying to: louiswei (Jan 12, 2009 12:49 pm)

From your linked story:
 
"We couldn't measure fuel economy on our customary test loops at home, but we devised a 197-mile substitute in Arizona. This suburban loop had more rural two-lanes in it than our usual Orange County course, but we're still impressed by the 51.5-mpg result our 2010 Honda Insight EX achieved."

Combine the fact that it is about $5K less than a comparably-equipped Prius, and it looks like at the VERY LEAST in MPH
 
2010 Insight = Prius
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Re: of course [larsb] by grandtotal
Jan 12, 2009 (1:13 pm)
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 12, 2009 12:57 pm)

Combine the fact that it is about $5K less than a comparably-equipped Prius, and it looks like at the VERY LEAST in MPH (sic)
  
2010 Insight = Prius
 
You can only say that if they run the new Prius over exactly the same course.
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Re: of course [grandtotal] by larsb
Jan 12, 2009 (1:29 pm)
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Replying to: grandtotal (Jan 12, 2009 1:13 pm)

Well, no, I can say that because the test drive showed the 51.5 mpg number of the new Insight compares favorably with real-world results of the current Prius.
 
Regardless of what a Prius would do on the EXACT same course, 51.5 is in range with what some of the better numbers on gh.com are for the Prius.
 
It just shows that the new Insight is capable of Prius-like numbers in real-world driving.
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Re: speaking of the Prius [kdhspyder] by gagrice
Jan 12, 2009 (2:02 pm)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jan 12, 2009 11:13 am)

It has nothing to do with lying but in the fact that the testing procedures are different, nothing more.
 
The only one saying that Toyota people are Liars is Larsb. I think you both missed the key word. AROUND 75 MPG. Hype is not a lie. It is stretching the truth with a certain amount of optimism. With the right driver I have no doubt that any Prius could get 75 MPG in the UK. There are no official EPA or UK mileage figures. So the writers speculate with a little bit of exaggeration to whet the hybrid faithful's psyche.
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Re: speaking of the Prius [gagrice] by larsb
Jan 12, 2009 (2:06 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 12, 2009 2:02 pm)

Gary says, "The only one saying that Toyota people are Liars is Larsb"
 
Whoa- hold on there !! I never said that at all !!
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Re: of course [larsb] by gagrice
Jan 12, 2009 (2:13 pm)
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 12, 2009 1:29 pm)

What is all the todo about the Insight. It is smaller than a Civic and gets worse mileage. Am I missing something here? Not to mention the Prius blowing into the weeds mileage wise in-spite of your test data. I'm Nippon on this one. I think anything less than 60 MPG for the Insight is a joke. Tell me this is not a joke.
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Re: speaking of the Prius [larsb] by gagrice
Jan 12, 2009 (2:16 pm)
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 12, 2009 2:06 pm)

You are the only one that mentioned Toyota and liar. I said Toyota Hype Big, Big difference.
 
Hype
 
1. Excessive publicity and the ensuing commotion: the hype surrounding the murder trial.
2. Exaggerated or extravagant claims made especially in advertising or promotional material: "It is pure hype, a gigantic PR job" Saturday Review.
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Re: of course [gagrice] by larsb
Jan 12, 2009 (2:24 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 12, 2009 2:13 pm)

See my response in the appropriate forum
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Re: speaking of the Prius [kdhspyder] by explorerx4
Jan 12, 2009 (2:41 pm)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jan 12, 2009 11:13 am)

yes, the imerial gallon is larger than a us gallon. 1 us gallon = .8 imperial gallon, as you pointed out.

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