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3595 messages, Last post on Nov 27, 2009 at 11:35 AM
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 12, 2009 9:24 am) It has nothing to do with lying but in the fact that the testing procedures are different, nothing more. It's the same problem Honda had with the diesel Accord that was going to get 50 mpg here when converted to US gal. Unfortunately the NADM TSX diesel prolly is only going to get 38-40 if it ever gets launched. Thus in comparing UK values to EPA values you'd have to deflate the number by 20% for volumetric differences and then deflate that number by another 20% for testing differences. |
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in gaining only 4 points on the fuel economy rating, Prius also becomes more powerful - why? to cover increased weight as a result of making it bigger? I hope they didn't make it faster at the expense of fuel economy. When oh when will Toyota produce the wider line of hybrids it has been promising for years now? Still no hybrid Corolla - when? With any luck Honda's new Insight will beat the new Prius's 52 mpg - we need an honest 60 mpg 5-passenger car in the States pronto.
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Replying to: nippononly (Jan 12, 2009 12:12 pm) link title I believe it's more of an Avensis than a Corolla, but still, sizewise it qualifies. Also, I read that the Insight is going to be rated at 40/43. Maybe the real world numbers will put it closer to the Prius.
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Replying to: nippononly (Jan 12, 2009 12:12 pm) Well apparently Honda is out of luck because... The Insight is rated at 40 city/43 highway , which, mind you, is not even better than the CURRENT gen Prius. Prius > Insight hands down. Source: 2010 Honda Insight EX Full Test and Video
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Replying to: louiswei (Jan 12, 2009 12:49 pm) "We couldn't measure fuel economy on our customary test loops at home, but we devised a 197-mile substitute in Arizona. This suburban loop had more rural two-lanes in it than our usual Orange County course, but we're still impressed by the 51.5-mpg result our 2010 Honda Insight EX achieved." Combine the fact that it is about $5K less than a comparably-equipped Prius, and it looks like at the VERY LEAST in MPH 2010 Insight = Prius
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 12, 2009 12:57 pm) 2010 Insight = Prius You can only say that if they run the new Prius over exactly the same course. |
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Replying to: grandtotal (Jan 12, 2009 1:13 pm) Regardless of what a Prius would do on the EXACT same course, 51.5 is in range with what some of the better numbers on gh.com are for the Prius. It just shows that the new Insight is capable of Prius-like numbers in real-world driving.
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jan 12, 2009 11:13 am) The only one saying that Toyota people are Liars is Larsb. I think you both missed the key word. AROUND 75 MPG. Hype is not a lie. It is stretching the truth with a certain amount of optimism. With the right driver I have no doubt that any Prius could get 75 MPG in the UK. There are no official EPA or UK mileage figures. So the writers speculate with a little bit of exaggeration to whet the hybrid faithful's psyche.
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 12, 2009 2:02 pm) Whoa- hold on there !! I never said that at all !!
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 12, 2009 1:29 pm)
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