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Automotive News & Views Toyota in decline in 2009?
3200 messages, Last post on Nov 08, 2009 at 12:17 PM
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Replying to: lemko (Jan 12, 2009 8:13 am) Actually they haven't gone backward it's just that the vehicles are larger, heavier and more energy-sapping. They are also cleaner, quieter, smoother, safer and more reliable. Try to sell a 50 mpg 1980's version Rabbit today and you wouldn't be able to sell even one. You might as well be trying to sell buggy whips. |
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Replying to: lemko (Jan 12, 2009 8:13 am) |
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.. at the launch announcement the first numbers announced today were the EPA Fuel Economy ( est ) number combined. Lentz said that whereas the current vehicle rates 46 on the EPA tests they expect the G3 to get a rating of 50. Adjust your values accordingly. Since I currently get 48 on the G2, I'd expect to get 52-53 on the G3. The vehicle apparently will be 20-30% more powerful at the same time as a result of the 1.8L ICE replacing the 1.5L ICE.
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jan 12, 2009 9:19 am) Wonder where the missing MPG went?
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 12, 2009 7:19 am) Question, why are they giving UK figures and prices at the Detroit Auto show. Did we switch to pound sterling? This combined effort means the new Prius will, return around 75mpg and emit less than 100g/km of C02. All this will come at a cost though, when the new Prius is released in October prices will start from £18,225. Further details to follow after the new Prius is officially unveiled... That is about $27k for a base model.... |
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 12, 2009 9:24 am) |
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 12, 2009 9:24 am) We got you........ |
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 12, 2009 9:22 am) 
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 12, 2009 9:24 am) It has nothing to do with lying but in the fact that the testing procedures are different, nothing more. It's the same problem Honda had with the diesel Accord that was going to get 50 mpg here when converted to US gal. Unfortunately the NADM TSX diesel prolly is only going to get 38-40 if it ever gets launched. Thus in comparing UK values to EPA values you'd have to deflate the number by 20% for volumetric differences and then deflate that number by another 20% for testing differences. |
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in gaining only 4 points on the fuel economy rating, Prius also becomes more powerful - why? to cover increased weight as a result of making it bigger? I hope they didn't make it faster at the expense of fuel economy. When oh when will Toyota produce the wider line of hybrids it has been promising for years now? Still no hybrid Corolla - when? With any luck Honda's new Insight will beat the new Prius's 52 mpg - we need an honest 60 mpg 5-passenger car in the States pronto.
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