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Toyota in decline in 2009?

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speaking of the Prius by nippononly
Jan 12, 2009 (6:47 am)
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Toyota is announcing today that they now expect to be able to release a plug-in Prius using lithium-ion batteries by the end of this year, neatly one-upping Chevy's Volt in the process.
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Re: speaking of the Prius [nippononly] by larsb
Jan 12, 2009 (6:48 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Jan 12, 2009 6:47 am)

They will also announce the Next NiMH Prius (the next generation avail for the USA) at 62 miles per gallon.
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Re: speaking of the Prius [larsb] by nippononly
Jan 12, 2009 (6:56 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 12, 2009 6:48 am)

Wow, and that's despite the fact that it is a little wider and more powerful than the current model.....
 
It all makes the Volt seem kind of irrelevant, considering that neither of these new Priuses is expected to be priced anywhere near the Volt's estimated $40K starting price. But I assume that the Volt will still beat even the plug-in Prius's electric-only driving range. It had better if Chevy's hopes for it are to pan out.
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Re: speaking of the Prius [larsb] by kdhspyder
Jan 12, 2009 (7:16 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 12, 2009 6:48 am)

62 mpg?? Wow!!
 
Really?? I haven't seen anything about the EPA numbers at all. All I've seen are the various 'leaks' to the hybrid sites. I was expecting 50-54 mpg. Is this from a Toyota dispatch?
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Re: speaking of the Prius [kdhspyder] by larsb
Jan 12, 2009 (7:19 am)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jan 12, 2009 7:16 am)

See this link....75 MPG in the UK = 62 MPG in the USA
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62 MPG... by lemko
Jan 12, 2009 (8:13 am)
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...isn't really that impressive when you realize VW put out a 50 MPG diesel Rabbit back in 1980.
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Re: 62 MPG... [lemko] by larsb
Jan 12, 2009 (8:34 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Jan 12, 2009 8:13 am)

Yes, well, everyone understands that with a diesel engine the Prius would be about 80 mpg.
 
But that 1980s Rabbit was a tin can deathtrap compared to modern cars, too.
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Re: 62 MPG... [lemko] by grandtotal
Jan 12, 2009 (9:06 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Jan 12, 2009 8:13 am)

It's not? How many MPG do you get from what you're driving now?
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Re: 62 MPG... [lemko] by kdhspyder
Jan 12, 2009 (9:14 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Jan 12, 2009 8:13 am)

And since 1980 VW has gone backward to where now the best vehicle they have for the NA market is the Jetta TDI getting 44 Highway.
 
Actually they haven't gone backward it's just that the vehicles are larger, heavier and more energy-sapping. They are also cleaner, quieter, smoother, safer and more reliable.
 
Try to sell a 50 mpg 1980's version Rabbit today and you wouldn't be able to sell even one. You might as well be trying to sell buggy whips.
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Re: 62 MPG... [lemko] by bumpy
Jan 12, 2009 (9:18 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Jan 12, 2009 8:13 am)

The 1985 diesel Rabbit/Golf/whatever got 31/41 by the current standards. The current Prius would probably be something like 65/55 on the old old test.

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