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3611 messages, Last post on Nov 28, 2009 at 2:39 PM
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Replying to: larsb (Dec 29, 2008 10:24 am)  Oh well, it'll have more of a point than the current Lexus hybrids.
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Replying to: fintail (Dec 29, 2008 10:31 am) My own personal theory is that within the next few years they will replace all the lowest engines for each Lexus model with an HSD powertrain instead, so that the volume models will all make at least 30 mpg combined and some will contribute to meeting the magical 35 mpg standard..... I think they should also plan a performance hybrid trim for the IS line - something that goes for about the price of a base GS or a little less but which is faster than a base GS, using a 28 mpg hybrid/V-6 powertrain instead of a 20 mpg V-8.
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Replying to: nippononly (Dec 29, 2008 12:43 pm)  Their hybrid strategy right now is strange and pointless...I'd expect a revamp too.
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Replying to: fintail (Dec 29, 2008 2:19 pm) A. There simply isn't enough battery capacity in the world right now to meet the demand of the various hybrid makers; c.f. limitations on the new Fusion hybrid. B. When gas went out of sight Lexus was screaming that they had nothing to offer to the upscale fuel-conscious buyer. Point A. will change in the next 2-4 yrs with more capacity coming on stream but for now the options are what they are. There is little or no room for additional models on a grand scale. |
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Dec 29, 2008 8:00 am) To top it off the resale values are ridiculously high and the vehicle requires less maintenance than a traditional vehicle. I wish you would stop spreading these truthes. If you carry on like this more people will buy Prius and the prices will never drop. 
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Replying to: grandtotal (Dec 29, 2008 5:42 pm) One dealer in my area has like 10 or 12 or something at $19,995. I agree fin, Toyota's hybrid strategy is very haphazard. I don't think giving the 4500-pound Sienna a hybrid powertrain is going to help fuel economy all that much, but I am waiting for Toyota to prove me wrong. Certainly the HL hybrid is only good for high 20s. Which is better than low 20s of course.
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Replying to: nippononly (Dec 29, 2008 6:18 pm)
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Replying to: boaz47 (Dec 29, 2008 8:24 pm) 
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Replying to: grandtotal (Dec 27, 2008 1:43 pm)
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Saw a loaded Venza on the road this morning, red with the big 20 inchers, V6, AWD. Ya know, I've never actually considered a Toyota before, outside of a Lexus but man does the Venza look really good on the road. It has a certain European upscale look to me, like a Volvo or a Saab. I really think this model is going to take off... Don't know if it'll canabalize sales of the RAV4 or the Highlander, but heck those two are pretty much the official vehicles of Massachusetts right now, they are everywhere. But the Venza is better looking than both of them IMO, so maybe the tastes will change. On a side note, got to check out my neighbors new Highlander over the Christmas holiday. Loaded, Ltd, Leather, Navigation, rear seat ent. the thing is loaded to the gills. The wife replaced a 97 Sienna that needed work at 221k miles so they traded up instead. I didn't drive it, but a friend of mine let me drive his wifes 4WD sport a few month back and I came away pretty impressed then. But in Limited trim, the thing is a Lexus without the badge. 
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