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Toyota in decline in 2009?

3613 messages,  Last post on Nov 28, 2009 at 3:52 PM

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Re: [04350] by berri
Dec 28, 2008 (12:31 pm)
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Replying to: 04350 (Dec 28, 2008 11:31 am)

I think you have to do mostly heavy urban traffic driving for any hybrid to make sense economically.
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Re: Help! [hans7] by claires HOST
Dec 29, 2008 (1:46 am)
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Replying to: hans7 (Dec 26, 2008 7:28 am)

Hi, hans7,
 
A better place to ask is in the Toyota Prius Forum. Try one of these:
 
New Prius Owners: Give Us Your Report
 
Toyota Prius MPG-Real World Numbers
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Re: [berri] by kdhspyder
Dec 29, 2008 (8:00 am)
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Replying to: berri (Dec 28, 2008 12:31 pm)

Not really. In 3 years in 85% driving at 60+ mph over 100,000 miles I'm averaging 48 mpg. That's better than any other vehicle I might have chosen back in 2005. It's a no brainer. If I drove it in congested city traffic constantly my FE numbers would be in the mid 50's.
 
The other benefit is that it is not a sedan. It's a hatchback with all the flexibility and conveniences of a hatch but with far better fuel economy than a sedan.
 
It's hard to argue with the flexibility, comfort, safety, reliability and fuel economy.
 
To top it off the resale values are ridiculously high and the vehicle requires less maintenance than a traditional vehicle.
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There is no "Lexus in 2009" so I post this there by larsb
Dec 29, 2008 (10:24 am)
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If Toyota is "losing money on the Prius" (hint: They're NOT) then they are gonna keep on losing money with the Lexus Prius I guess:
 
Lexus Prius spied
 
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Re: There is no "Lexus in 2009" so I post this there [larsb] by fintail
Dec 29, 2008 (10:31 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Dec 29, 2008 10:24 am)

Cool, another marginally rebodied Toyota with a 10K+ premium!
 
Oh well, it'll have more of a point than the current Lexus hybrids.
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Re: There is no "Lexus in 2009" so I post this there [fintail] by nippononly
Dec 29, 2008 (12:43 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Dec 29, 2008 10:31 am)

From what little I have read so far, I believe "rebodied Toyota" is largely inaccurate - it is an IS250 chassis and body with the HSD powertrain from the Camry, reworked to be RWD. And it will have an IS designation, I think.
 
My own personal theory is that within the next few years they will replace all the lowest engines for each Lexus model with an HSD powertrain instead, so that the volume models will all make at least 30 mpg combined and some will contribute to meeting the magical 35 mpg standard.....
 
I think they should also plan a performance hybrid trim for the IS line - something that goes for about the price of a base GS or a little less but which is faster than a base GS, using a 28 mpg hybrid/V-6 powertrain instead of a 20 mpg V-8.
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Re: There is no "Lexus in 2009" so I post this there [nippononly] by fintail
Dec 29, 2008 (2:19 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Dec 29, 2008 12:43 pm)

Lexus with a Camry engine then...still funny
 
Their hybrid strategy right now is strange and pointless...I'd expect a revamp too.
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Re: There is no "Lexus in 2009" so I post this there [fintail] by kdhspyder
Dec 29, 2008 (3:25 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Dec 29, 2008 2:19 pm)

It's a matter of limited resources and demand.
 
A. There simply isn't enough battery capacity in the world right now to meet the demand of the various hybrid makers; c.f. limitations on the new Fusion hybrid.
 
B. When gas went out of sight Lexus was screaming that they had nothing to offer to the upscale fuel-conscious buyer.
 
Point A. will change in the next 2-4 yrs with more capacity coming on stream but for now the options are what they are. There is little or no room for additional models on a grand scale.
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Re: [kdhspyder] by grandtotal
Dec 29, 2008 (5:42 pm)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Dec 29, 2008 8:00 am)

It's hard to argue with the flexibility, comfort, safety, reliability and fuel economy.
  
To top it off the resale values are ridiculously high and the vehicle requires less maintenance than a traditional vehicle.

 
I wish you would stop spreading these truthes. If you carry on like this more people will buy Prius and the prices will never drop.

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