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Toyota in decline in 2009?

3508 messages,  Last post on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:20 PM

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Re: Help! [explorerx4] by kdhspyder
Dec 27, 2008 (10:07 pm)
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Dec 27, 2008 8:01 pm)

30 mpg is possible due to conditions unrelated to the vehicle. That was the point of the poster. He believes that the vehicle was defective. In normal conditions it cannot get as low as 30 mpg for any normal trip of more than 10 min.
 
I'm from upstate NY originally so I understand about winter conditions and yes in slick, windy, bitter weather no vehicle will do well. But that has nothing to do with the vehicle. These conditions are covered by YMMV.
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by 04350
Dec 28, 2008 (11:31 am)
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My used 08 Corolla averaged about 36 MPG (80% highway driving) earlier
this summer and fall. Due to winter driving, it is around 34.5 MPG with the
same local-highway driving mix. I paid about $ 9,000 less for the Corolla
than I would have if I had bought a comparable used Prius.
 
A Prius would make financial sense if gas stays at over $ 4 a gallon
for a prolonged period, especially if the owner does a lot of in-town
driving or was switching from a large SUV.
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Re: [04350] by berri
Dec 28, 2008 (12:31 pm)
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Replying to: 04350 (Dec 28, 2008 11:31 am)

I think you have to do mostly heavy urban traffic driving for any hybrid to make sense economically.
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Re: Help! [hans7] by claires HOST
Dec 29, 2008 (1:46 am)
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Replying to: hans7 (Dec 26, 2008 7:28 am)

Hi, hans7,
 
A better place to ask is in the Toyota Prius Forum. Try one of these:
 
New Prius Owners: Give Us Your Report
 
Toyota Prius MPG-Real World Numbers
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Re: [berri] by kdhspyder
Dec 29, 2008 (8:00 am)
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Replying to: berri (Dec 28, 2008 12:31 pm)

Not really. In 3 years in 85% driving at 60+ mph over 100,000 miles I'm averaging 48 mpg. That's better than any other vehicle I might have chosen back in 2005. It's a no brainer. If I drove it in congested city traffic constantly my FE numbers would be in the mid 50's.
 
The other benefit is that it is not a sedan. It's a hatchback with all the flexibility and conveniences of a hatch but with far better fuel economy than a sedan.
 
It's hard to argue with the flexibility, comfort, safety, reliability and fuel economy.
 
To top it off the resale values are ridiculously high and the vehicle requires less maintenance than a traditional vehicle.
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There is no "Lexus in 2009" so I post this there by larsb
Dec 29, 2008 (10:24 am)
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If Toyota is "losing money on the Prius" (hint: They're NOT) then they are gonna keep on losing money with the Lexus Prius I guess:
 
Lexus Prius spied
 
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Re: There is no "Lexus in 2009" so I post this there [larsb] by fintail
Dec 29, 2008 (10:31 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Dec 29, 2008 10:24 am)

Cool, another marginally rebodied Toyota with a 10K+ premium!
 
Oh well, it'll have more of a point than the current Lexus hybrids.
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Re: There is no "Lexus in 2009" so I post this there [fintail] by nippononly
Dec 29, 2008 (12:43 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Dec 29, 2008 10:31 am)

From what little I have read so far, I believe "rebodied Toyota" is largely inaccurate - it is an IS250 chassis and body with the HSD powertrain from the Camry, reworked to be RWD. And it will have an IS designation, I think.
 
My own personal theory is that within the next few years they will replace all the lowest engines for each Lexus model with an HSD powertrain instead, so that the volume models will all make at least 30 mpg combined and some will contribute to meeting the magical 35 mpg standard.....
 
I think they should also plan a performance hybrid trim for the IS line - something that goes for about the price of a base GS or a little less but which is faster than a base GS, using a 28 mpg hybrid/V-6 powertrain instead of a 20 mpg V-8.
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Re: There is no "Lexus in 2009" so I post this there [nippononly] by fintail
Dec 29, 2008 (2:19 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Dec 29, 2008 12:43 pm)

Lexus with a Camry engine then...still funny
 
Their hybrid strategy right now is strange and pointless...I'd expect a revamp too.

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