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Toyota in decline in 2009?

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Re: Breaking out the crystal ball... [steve_] by lemko
Dec 26, 2008 (10:17 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 25, 2008 8:46 am)

It probably will take something like a fuel cell to get people excited about buying cars again.
 
Like the 1932 Ford V-8 did during the Depression. A V-8 for the masses was a big thing back in the day.
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Re: unthinkable? [steve_] by lemko
Dec 26, 2008 (10:20 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 26, 2008 9:04 am)

Looks like a couple of Prii with the hoods open. How do hybrids handle extreme cold weather?
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Re: unthinkable? [steve_] by gagrice
Dec 26, 2008 (10:44 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 26, 2008 9:04 am)

You think those are all vehicles in for repair. I see some hoods open and filling up with snow. Remind me never to use that dealership.
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Re: unthinkable? [lemko] by steve_ HOST
Dec 26, 2008 (10:55 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Dec 26, 2008 10:20 am)

There were at least two early adopters up in Fairbanks. No updated info that I see off-hand.
 
lMore Alaska new-car buyers are choosing to go easy on the gas (Anchorage Daily News)
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It wasn't that long ago by boaz47
Dec 26, 2008 (2:09 pm)
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when some said in this forum, while it was still called Toyota 2008, that Toyota wouldn't take a loss and no one would get laid off. Like the Guy from Toyota said, never say never.
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Re: Help! [hans7] by kdhspyder
Dec 27, 2008 (6:19 am)
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Replying to: hans7 (Dec 26, 2008 7:28 am)

I'm sorry but that's impossible. Unless your daily trip is under 5 min no one can possibly get 30 mpg in a Prius. It's physically impossible to get a number that low.
 
By your post I doubt that you actually do own one. If you do own one I promise that I can take YOUR vehicle and show you how to immediately get 48 mpg in YOUR Prius for as long as you want me to drive it.
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Re: unthinkable? [lemko] by kdhspyder
Dec 27, 2008 (6:25 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Dec 26, 2008 10:20 am)

They have been all over Canada, MN, SD, ND, CO and AK since they came out. There is nothing unusual one way or the other. Use snow tires in snow. That's about the only 'precaution'.
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Re: Help! [kdhspyder] by lemko
Dec 27, 2008 (11:06 am)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Dec 27, 2008 6:19 am)

30 MPG is pretty bad for a hybrid. My 1988 Buick Park Avenue gets 29 MPG.
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Re: Breaking out the crystal ball... [kdhspyder] by nippononly
Dec 27, 2008 (11:14 am)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Dec 25, 2008 8:08 am)

The JY/USD rate of 90:1, until a new rate is agreed upon, will put a temporary halt to 4Runner, Land Cruiser ( tiny ), GX470, LX570, LS and most other Lexus shipments from Japan. Yaris, Scion and Prius sales will also be affected. Corolla, Camry, Sienna, Avalon, IS, RAV, Matrix, Tacoma, Tundra, Sequoia and soon Highlander sales will not be affected at all since nearly all of them are produced here.
 
Well the RAV4 isn't produced here, and if they are going to keep on shipping those over I think they would do the same with all the Lexus models and the Land Cruiser, which sell at much bigger profits than the RAV4 does.
 
OTOH, I would think they could stop shipping the Prius immediately, thereby avoiding the exchange rate losses they may be incurring and giving the bloated inventory already on U.S. shores a chance to sell out gradually until the new model is ready in 6 months' time. This is an old model now, and it's less competitive than it was without even considering that gas at $1.70/gallon gives people a lot less incentive to seek them out.
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Re: Breaking out the crystal ball... [nippononly] by boaz47
Dec 27, 2008 (12:51 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Dec 27, 2008 11:14 am)

There have only been a few cars in all the years I have followed the industry that I never warmed up to. Sometimes it has been because they didn't deliver on their advertised promise but every once in a while it was because they were designed in such a way that they offended my eyes much like alum offends peoples taste buds., the Aztec, the early Tribeca, the xB and the Prius. The Aztec is gone, the Tribeca had to be redesigned early so it wouldn’t scare children the xB may be even uglier now than it was and the Prius was designed simply to be ugly so people would know what the owner was driving. I am not dancing in the street to see Prius sales flat or falling but if everyone one rusted to the ground to be replaced with a less offensive vehicle even by Toyota I wouldn’t shed a tear. My wife is by no means a car nut nor does she pay much attention to what a car looks like. But from the very beginning when I pointed out the Prius hybrid to her she asked a question I have heard hundreds of times from different non car people, “is there a law that says to get good mileage a car has to be ugly?” The answer is no, but from the Prius you would never guess. They truth is the car was designed to allow a particular segment of our society a chance to pat themselves on the back and get even with all of those who took their lunch money in school.
 
I don’t think they can cut off shipment that quickly. Industry, even Toyota, is a bit more like a ship or a train once it starts moving. The rise in gas prices was slow and steady and they ramped up production based on an idea that people would flock to cars like the Prius as long as both gas prices and the economy held together. The fall was so quick and drastic they almost couldn’t stop in time to have an effect of production. I would say if a person wanted a Prius it would be best to hold off for six months and let the overflow lots stack up with the current model. If things work out anything like the retail industry has this Christmas those old Prii should sell at a huge discount pretty soon. Maybe if we wait long enough Big Lots will buy the excess stock and we can get a Prius at Kia prices?
 
Even I would consider a Prius at 10K but at 25K there are plenty of other cars to look at that won’t make me put a paper bag on my head to drive to a place where people know me. Not at $1.65 a gallon.

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