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Toyota in decline in 2009?

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Re: Breaking out the crystal ball... [kdhspyder] by steve_ HOST
Dec 25, 2008 (8:46 am)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Dec 25, 2008 8:08 am)

I think there's going to be a bit of a backlash.
 
Toyota is number 1 now so some people will think it's time to bring them down a notch.
 
Some of the blame for the domestic auto woes is going to be directed at the imports, rightly or wrongly. The Hummer defacing crowd may get some company as delinquents move over to Priuses.
 
Generally speaking, I think people are going to continue to hang on to their money more closely for the next few years which is going to mean excess manufacturing capacity for all the car companies. It probably will take something like a fuel cell to get people excited about buying cars again.
 
Does Scion still make sense in North America?
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Re: Breaking out the crystal ball... [steve_] by boaz47
Dec 25, 2008 (9:42 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 25, 2008 8:46 am)

Agreed. And Scion has been irrelevant in north american for at least the last two years.
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Re: Breaking out the crystal ball... [boaz47] by gagrice
Dec 25, 2008 (10:13 am)
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Replying to: boaz47 (Dec 25, 2008 9:42 am)

I would have liked an old style xB with a 1.0L diesel engine. A cool little box to run my errands getting 50+ MPG. They were over price and not great mileage for as small of an engine with gas. Another missed opportunity for Toyota.
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Re: Breaking out the crystal ball... [gagrice] by kenym
Dec 25, 2008 (2:34 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 25, 2008 10:13 am)

I would have liked an old style xB with a 1.0L diesel engine. A cool little box to run my errands getting 50+ MPG
 
Problem with a diesel engine is that to be really fuel efficient the engine must be really hot. A five or ten minuet drive to the mall or to run errands really doesn't get the engine hot enough to get the big MPG. If you factor in the extra price you paid for the diesel engine and then the extra price you pay each time for diesel fuel. I don't think you are gaining that much with all the fuel efficient vehicles on the market today.
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Help! by hans7
Dec 26, 2008 (7:28 am)
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Purchased a 2009 Prius and am averageing 30mpg. Dealership says there is nothing wrong with the car.
 
What can I do for repair or replacement?
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Re: Take that Toyota! [kdhspyder] by fezo
Dec 26, 2008 (7:52 am)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Dec 25, 2008 7:12 am)

I agree on Ford which is saying something because I am not a traditional Ford fan.
 
The Fusion hybrid looks competitive on every level and is an attractive vehicle. Even with all the batteries you still get a 12 cu ft trunk which is onlt 2 cu ft short of a regular old Accord. This puts Ford in the thick of things and highlights how much more together they are than GM ar the nearly dead Chrysler.
 
30 mpg on a Prius is normal? They're out of their minds.
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Re: Help! [hans7] by gagrice
Dec 26, 2008 (8:45 am)
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Replying to: hans7 (Dec 26, 2008 7:28 am)

If you drive the way you drove your previous vehicle that is probably about right. To get the rated 50 MPG, think grandma driving. No going over 55 MPH. There are a lot of tricks posted under the Prius threads that may help. I don't think replacement is a good idea at this point. The market for the Prius is not great so you would lose your shorts.
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unthinkable? by steve_ HOST
Dec 26, 2008 (9:04 am)
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Toyota may be forced to cut U.S. factory workers
(Inside Line)
 
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Re: Breaking out the crystal ball... [steve_] by lemko
Dec 26, 2008 (10:17 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 25, 2008 8:46 am)

It probably will take something like a fuel cell to get people excited about buying cars again.
 
Like the 1932 Ford V-8 did during the Depression. A V-8 for the masses was a big thing back in the day.
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Re: unthinkable? [steve_] by lemko
Dec 26, 2008 (10:20 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 26, 2008 9:04 am)

Looks like a couple of Prii with the hoods open. How do hybrids handle extreme cold weather?

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