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Toyota in decline in 2009?

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Re: Pilfered this from another site... [nippononly] by boaz47
Nov 12, 2008 (2:31 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Nov 11, 2008 11:38 pm)

Well this particular powertrain has been around in Japanese Subarus for a number of years, so it's well tested and sorted by now, certainly by 2010 when they will deploy it in this new model.
 
Still it is a Subaru and that powertrain is the one that has Subaru several places lower than Toyota in dependability studies. Subaru has some of the most loyal customers in the business but those aren't Toyota customers. It would be one thing if they were offering a Toyota powerplant in the Toyota Version but it will be not much more than a Rebadged Subaru. Can you imagine if they rebadged the Matrix with a Iron Duke rather than making the Vibe a rebadged Toyota? After all Pontiac, Mazda and GMC are rated higher in dependability by JD Powers. And Toyota is as proud of their dependability rating as they are of anything else.
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Re: Pilfered this from another site... [boaz47] by nippononly
Nov 12, 2008 (11:02 pm)
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Replying to: boaz47 (Nov 12, 2008 2:31 pm)

The reasons for Subaru's slipping ratings in the last decade are dual: the head gaskets failing prematurely in the 2.5L engine, and the wheel bearing problem. They have had them both licked for about 5 years now, so you will see the ratings rise again now.
 
And neither was ever a problem in the JDM 2.0 - this is the engine whose turbo version is in use in the Subaru WRC cars.
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Re: Pilfered this from another site... [nippononly] by boaz47
Nov 13, 2008 (7:55 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Nov 12, 2008 11:02 pm)

I guess all I can do is wait and see how a Rebadged Subaru does as a Toyota.
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On Toyota's website now... by kdhspyder
Nov 13, 2008 (8:10 am)
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..there is a 'countdown' page until the new Prius is debuted in Detroit in Jan. Initial reports are that the first of the Gen3's will be 'off line' in April with arrival here June-July.
 
Maybe this should be the first post in a Toyota in 2009 thread? This is the big news for 2009 certainly.
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Re: On Toyota's website now... [kdhspyder] by louiswei
Nov 13, 2008 (9:15 am)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Nov 13, 2008 8:10 am)

Yup, I second the notion on changing the board to "Toyota in 2009".
 
Can the hosts please look into that? Thanks.
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Re: On Toyota's website now... [louiswei] by steve_ HOST
Nov 13, 2008 (9:19 am)
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Replying to: louiswei (Nov 13, 2008 9:15 am)

We should have edited the title a week ago when the time changed.
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A busy host... by iluvmysephia1
Nov 13, 2008 (9:21 am)
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is a happy host, steve. Good choice on changing the title of this thread.
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the latest news is of production cuts by nippononly
Nov 18, 2008 (6:02 pm)
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Stung Toyota cuts production deeper in N.A.
 
Toyota Motor Corp. will halt production at all of its U.S. and Canadian auto plants for two days in December to reduce its robust flow of vehicles into a sagging U.S. market.
 
The automaker also will cut back 2009 production levels at its big multi-car factory in Georgetown, Ky., as well as at its assembly plants in Princeton, Ind., and Fremont, Calif.
 
The reductions will affect all North American-made models, including the Camry, Corolla, Matrix and the just-introduced Venza crossover.
 
Despite the resilience some of its models have shown to the industry's steep downturn this year, Toyota is now sharing the pain. Total U.S. sales of Toyota, Lexus and Scion brands fell 23 percent in October, leaving Japanese officials in the unfamiliar position of fretting publicly about lost profits.
 
The company now plans to reduce headcount at its Georgetown plant by eliminating about half of the 500 temporary workers employed there. At the same time, the automaker will slow down the line speed of one of Georgetown's two lines, which builds the Camry, Solara and Venza, starting in January.
 
Toyota will also cut Sienna minivan production in Princeton by half starting in January. That plant will retain both of its shifts, but the two shifts will share in the reduced output. No employees will be laid off, Goss says.
 
The company also will eliminate the second shift on its Tacoma pickup line in California starting in January.

 
It's kind of ironic they made this announcement on the same day Honda had its inaugural ceremony for its new Indiana plant which will produce 100,000 Civics annually for now, 200,000 annually beginning in April next year. Toyota down, Honda up.
 
And hey, the article mentions Solara production, but I thought '08 was the last year of the Solara?
 
http://www.autonews.com/article/20081118/ANA02/811189950/1208/ANA06&Profile=1208- - (registration link)
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Re: the latest news is of production cuts [nippononly] by boaz47
Nov 19, 2008 (3:10 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Nov 18, 2008 6:02 pm)

I am sure there are some here that will post that your information can't be true. They were saying that at the end of 2008 so what does Toyota know? They aren't as bad off as some of the domestics so everything must be ok. Even if your post is the fulfillment of a prediction made by Toyota the beginning of last quarter. I believe someone said there is nothing to worry about. Unless you are a stock holder in Japan.
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Re: the latest news is of production cuts [boaz47] by nippononly
Nov 19, 2008 (6:32 pm)
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Replying to: boaz47 (Nov 19, 2008 3:10 pm)

Well, one of the things they are doing to decrease production is slow down some lines, which should contribute to an increase in quality, eh?
 
I notice they mention all the domestically built models except the RX350 and the Tundra/Sequoia. I would be surprised if RX sales were that much slower than usual, since luxury makes are less impacted. But the Tundra/Sequoia, of course, took 3 months off production this fall. I wonder if Toyota is planning on scaling back their production in '09, or if the 3-month hiatus was enough to stay ahead of excess capacity.
 
The plant they are building where they were going to produce Highlanders, and then planned to build Priuses instead when the gas prices went crazy, is now rumored to be in question. Seems to me they would be wise to go ahead with it, and use part of the new plant to produce Yarises and other mini-Toyotas (including some Scions on the same platform). It would keep the money in America rather than losing half of those profits to the yen-dollar exchange rate. It also keeps Toyota more flexible and nimble in production to build as diverse a group of models as possible in the U.S.
 
Oh, and at the LA auto show today Ford announced it will sell a full-hybrid Fusion next year that will beat the Camry hybrid by at least 5 mpg, both city and highway. The chalice has been thrown down, Toyota!

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